Is this a joke?

[PRunCrunk]

If that's true, then it's FCS for life

I'm not necessarily sold on the whole we'll never be BCS thing. Most of our sports teams can and do compete with BCS teams. We have the facilities to be 1A for football as well. I mean, the SEC isn't coming knocking...but a diluted Big East or ACC isn't out of the realm of possibility.

[jmusuperfan]

I have said big east all along....hope I am right

[BDKJMU]

We just need to find individual schools with similar ratios. Even if they are not the same, we should be able to estimate an additional cost per percentage point above, let's say, 50/50, and figure out how much it costs.

For example. If JMU is 61 % women and Kent State is 54% than the difference in Women's schollies is what, about 10 or 12 at most? Let's say 12 and let's say total schollies is 100k per athlete to include coaches salaries, benefits, uniforms, épées, athletic tape, uneven parrelel bars, etc. That is 1.2M. Doesn't JMU make more than $1.2m more per year in football tickets alone than Kent State?

Bottom line we can go FBS for another few million dollars, even with our ratio's. I know a few million dollars a year is not chump change, but if we don't believe FBS will bring us more than that in TV, Bowl, attendance, etc. than we just shouldn't be thinking about FBS, period. I guess I just believe it will bring us additional $ well beyond the costs. I think other FCS schools have reached similar conclusions.

Never mention bowls with increased revenue. They are proven $ losers.

[PRunCrunk]

Never mention bowls with increased revenue. They are proven $ losers.

I don't know...but I'd like to see what a mid-low level bowl would net versus two home playoff games...I'd like to think it'd be neutral.

[ATLJMUAlum]

I'm not necessarily sold on the whole we'll never be BCS thing. Most of our sports teams can and do compete with BCS teams. We have the facilities to be 1A for football as well. I mean, the SEC isn't coming knocking...but a diluted Big East or ACC isn't out of the realm of possibility.

My opinion is that if we're ever going to be BCS, then we need to get our foot in the door at a lower level conference and have success there first. I would be shocked to see any BCS conference take an FCS team that wasn't already in their conference for Olympic sports (i.e., UConn, Villanova).

[DABIGBLUE]

ODU said it would take us $5mill to move up to FBS. With $3mil coming from TV and the rest coming from the fans and additional sponsorship. We're sitting at 50/50 and JMU 31/69, you'll need 12 additional schoolies (12 X $50K) which is about $600K. Most of JMU's facilities are solid, except the Convo. The new one will add additional $4mil/yr.

The Duke Club is currently at $1.2mil/yr and the students are footing 85% ($28mil) of JMU's $33mil annual AD budget. Just need a plan that doesn't rest on the students.

[BSKB 24]

The Appalachian State 1A feasibility study concluded that the economics of 1A football would be better than FCS football. ODU concluded the same thing with there $3mm per year from CUSA television contracts. What is wrong with the math at JMU?

These types of studies generally tend to give the result the money being spent asks for! My experience is you tell the people doing the survey what result you want, pay them the money and wait for the report to support you.

[Dukes09]

According to barber...only FBS move Jmu would be interested in is BCS conf ... https://twitter.com/rtd_mikebarber/s...09182113300480

obviously i hope barber is dead wrong. if he isn't, our admin gets stupider by the day. they're as delusional as the 10-15 different posters i've seen on these boards thinking we have a legitimate chance at a BCS conference.
that's as likely as chris farley getting married to a victoria secret supermodel without buying her.

[Miami, (Oh)-Yeah!]

Never mention bowls with increased revenue. They are proven $ losers.

The MAC has negotiated with the bowls (the 3 tie-ins, not the others we go to above and beyond) in the contract that no MAC team can lose money when going to the bowl. Our bowls payout less because our teams get their travel and room and board PAYED for by the bowl per contract. C-USA does not have this agreement and they pay all the expenses and then attempt to be reimbursed by the payout. That payout doesnt cover the expenses and they end up losing money. Even the bigger conferences and bowls lose money (UConn lost money even with BCS bowl payout). So in the end, the worst a MAC team can do is break even, while a C-USA team will LOSE money.

[JMUETC]

Never mention bowls with increased revenue. They are proven $ losers.

I think this is largely true at BCS schools that must sell 30,000 tickets to their game in a crappy site. I believe at the lower FBS levels it is much more doable, both because the ticket commitment is less . Of course your best shot is a close and solid location.

And, while I appreciate your thoroughness, when you put etc. at the end of the list it typically means you are just not taking the time to list all the possible revenue streams so if you disagree that a bowl can or will make money I will withdraw it from the list and you can add the following where I wrote etc.

Additional duke club donations
Additional revenue from gear sales (jerseys, shirts, skirts, pajamas, Purple crocs, Hats, ETC.)
Higher parking costs (already happening)
Additional Licensing revenue
Higher sponsorship revenue
Additional suite sales
Additional ticket sales (sell out all games, give less tickets to students)