Day After Articles

[DrexPhanatic]

Very biased. But what do you expect.

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/colleges/7492834.htm

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=233482182

I like the quote in the ESPN article where Bruiser told Brooks before the game that they couldn't guard him. 8)

[Oneway]

I don't like the way Bruiser, after getting plastered by 22, says that the team he played on was better than this St' Joe's team...right after complaining that a key St. Joe's reserve goes 5-5 in 8 minutes of play. Did the '86 St. Joe's team have a Chet sitting on the bench? I mean, come on. :oops:

[Sea Dog]

Yeah, what does that say about Bruiser's current team?

[DUfunnyman]

"I hate to say it, but they're not as good as the team we were on that went 26-6," Flint said. "They don't have a Mo Martin. They don't have a Rodney Blake. I know Jameer's a special kid, but you're talking about some of the best players to ever play at St. Joe's, and I played with one of them" in Martin.

"And we had big Rod," Flint said. "I hate to take it away from them, but I think our team was much better."

Oh man, those are some harsh comments by Bruiser. The're (St. Joe's fans) are not gonna like that........................haha and I love it

[Halftime Hero]

I don't blame bruiser for his comments, he was obviously plenty frustrated afer the game yesterday. We played pretty damn good and thanks to a reserve having the game of his life and the refs bobbin Nelson's knob all day we never even had a chance. I for one don't care if Drexel never plays at the Palestra again. If its a home game for us it should be played at the DAC - thats our home court. We're not a member of the Big Five so why should our games against the Big Five be played at the Palestra? I'm tired of this sh*t, we have god-awful records against all the Big Five schools and we're not that much worse than them. Everytime we make a damn run in the Palestra there's some ticky-tack bullsh*t call to slow it down. And playing against the darlings of Philadelphia (SJU) makes it even worse, Jameer can do whatever the hell he wants out there and never worry about picking up a foul, same goes for that ass-clown West. We even saw it last weekend with the thugs from Temple, they get away with murder when they're playing Philadelphia's red-headed Step-child, Drexel.

[DUfunnyman]

same goes for that ass-clown West.

Take it easy Halftime, there's children that read this board.....

[Halftime Hero]

Don't get me started on that crap...

Actually its too late..

A few comments on yesterday's happenings...

1. There is a special designated "student section".. many of these students come to the game intoxicated, if you have young children why would you sit near the student section? The game wasn't anywhere near sold out and the Palestra security isn't that strict on moving your seat. I know in a few years when I have kids and I want to take them to a game, even high school games, I'll stay well clear of the student sections.

2. Comments from the student section that "cross the line." IMO, there is almost nothing that crosses the line, these guys are going to school for FREE simply to play basketball, I'm near $50,000 in debt and I actually go to class! So therefore the players have a duty to take whatever crap they hear from the crowd, and take it with a smile. I will never feel bad for something I hear a fan telling a player, they're fortunate to be where they are. Even that cheerleader from yesterday to a certain extent, she has a scholarship (although i'm sure its not that large) just to cheer at basketball games! And only the home ones! I went to more games last year than our cheerleaders did, I took a much greater interest in how our team did, hell a few of us here started the damn dac pack deserving at least partial credit for our attendance being half-decent, is there a scholarship in there for us??? I don't think so, so we may as well continue to yell at the other teams and enjoy ourselves at basketball games.

[Sea Dog]

I for one don't care if Drexel never plays at the Palestra again. If its a home game for us it should be played at the DAC - thats our home court. We're not a member of the Big Five so why should our games against the Big Five be played at the Palestra?

There ar 5,223 (the attendance) reasons to play home games at the Palestra. It is all about the $$$

[Halftime Hero]

Its good to know that we care more about the money than winning cuz as long as keep agreeing to play those teams at the palestra we're never going to beat them. So lets just keep earning money rather than respect, as if my tuition isn't enough.

[DrexelTim]

At least the "ticket" lady wasn't going nuts yesterday. The she was sitting over by the Drexel section for a long while.

[DUfunnyman]

I think we will win soon enough. Give us a couple years, Nelson and West will be gone, we'll have Kennell, Mason, and Crawford. I think we'll have enough talent to beat the other team and the refs.

Although the refs sucked, I think the reason we lost this game is turnovers and St. Joe's shooting the lights out. Had they shot the % they did against Penn, against us, who knows, we could have came out with a W.


So therefore the players have a duty to take whatever crap they hear from the crowd, and take it with a smile. I will never feel bad for something I hear a fan telling a player, they're fortunate to be where they are.

Amen to that. The best players aren't affected at all (see: Nelson, Blizzard, our own Robert Battle) from ANYTHING you say to them. They are forunate to be where they are. As for the whole "acting with class" debate.....I'm there to have fun at the games. I'm 21 and I'm in college, I'm certainly not going to act like I'm on Sesame Street in the heat of the game. You gotta learn to relax and take things in stride. Certainly if offense was taken to anything we say, there's a better way to go about voicing your opinion than beligering the DAC PACK (the largest and most loyal fan base at the basketball games).

[Halftime Hero]

I don't want to blame the refs for the loss here, SJU flat out beat us, even when we were playing pretty well. I'm just tired of the Palestra, its not our home court and we're not in the Big Five so why lose our home-court advantage against the best competition we're going to play all season? Two years ago we played SJU at Hawk Hill, why wasn't that game at the Palestra? Because we're little ole Drexel and we just let everyone else push us around.

[jmu98]

I watched the game yesterday and you guys gotta stop whining about the refs. The officiating in the game on the whole was very even. You guys gotta take the blinders off and check out the boxscore. St. Joe's had more fouls and shot less FT's than Drexel did. The reason you lost the game was you let the other team get a lot of wide open looks and they hit them, plus you turned the ball over almost two times as much as your opponent.

As for the players on your team:

Brooks is a very good player and really uses his body well to get position on offense, which allows him to score inside over taller players. On the defensive end it is very tough for him, because though he plays good position defense, his lack of height and jumping ability hurt him.

Very impressed with Whitworth in both this game and the Temple game. Has started to get a good midrange game back that he had two years ago. Don't know what happened last year, but he did not play well at all.

Mason is going to be a great player. Needs to make better decisions sometimes and had too many turnovers, but is better than King by a mile. I've seen almost all the teams in the league and he definitely is one of the top 5 or 6 Freshman in the league.

None of your other players stood out too much or played very well, imo.

On the Palestra thing, you guys are lucky that you get to play these good teams every year, even at the Palestra. I know you guys always play away or there, but you have to realize that most teams at our level don't get home games with teams like St. Joe's, Temple, and Villanova. LaSalle and Penn on the other hand should have to play at the DAC, because they are really on our level. Shoot, LaSalle played a home and home with us, but then again Hahn and Dillard were both Maryland Assistants.

Overall, I think you guys will win your share of games and be a middle of the pack team finishing in the 4,5, or 6 spot in the league.

[DrexPhanatic]

You guys gotta take the blinders off and check out the boxscore. St. Joe's had more fouls and shot less FT's than Drexel did.

Yeah but we should have had even more FTs. And it wasn't just the fouls. I thought there were a couple phantom traveling calls against us that shouldn't have been called because: (1) we didn't travel or (2) we were being tossed around and traveled as a result.

We didn't lose the game because of them but we always get screwed.

How about Saint Joes beating us 40 of the 45 times we have played each other. Yikes!

[DUfunnyman]

I watched the game yesterday and you guys gotta stop whining about the refs. The officiating in the game on the whole was very even. You guys gotta take the blinders off and check out the boxscore. St. Joe's had more fouls and shot less FT's than Drexel did. The reason you lost the game was you let the other team get a lot of wide open looks and they hit them, plus you turned the ball over almost two times as much as your opponent.

No whining here. I totally agree. I saw their game against Penn and they weren't hitting those looks. It figures they would against us. It would have been nice to cut the turnovers down, but then again, causing turnovers is their "ace-in-the-hole".


As for the players on your team:

Brooks is a very good player and really uses his body well to get position on offense, which allows him to score inside over taller players. On the defensive end it is very tough for him, because though he plays good position defense, his lack of height and jumping ability hurt him.


I agree. Hopefully we'll get Crawford developed soon enough to be more of a defensive presense.


Very impressed with Whitworth in both this game and the Temple game. Has started to get a good midrange game back that he had two years ago. Don't know what happened last year, but he did not play well at all.

Mason is going to be a great player. Needs to make better decisions sometimes and had too many turnovers, but is better than King by a mile. I've seen almost all the teams in the league and he definitely is one of the top 5 or 6 Freshman in the league.


Mason played outstanding. What great vision. I don't know why King plays so much, I'm really starting to wonder what he brings to the table other than a bunch of bricks from 3pt land. At least when Mason turns the ball over, it's when he's trying to make a great pass and he misses it by a hair. King will turn it over by dribbling it off his foot.....he also has no left hand and thus no penetrating ability.




On the Palestra thing, you guys are lucky that you get to play these good teams every year, even at the Palestra. I know you guys always play away or there, but you have to realize that most teams at our level don't get home games with teams like St. Joe's, Temple, and Villanova. LaSalle and Penn on the other hand should have to play at the DAC, because they are really on our level. Shoot, LaSalle played a home and home with us, but then again Hahn and Dillard were both Maryland Assistants.


After the construction of the Armory, I believe these teams will play us at our REAL home. At least they better.

[hardcoredon]

It's like Bruiser said onthe postgame show. St Joe's hasn't shot the ball like that all year and they decided tohave their first great shooting game against us. I think we did an ok job. Nelson didn't destroy us and neither did West. It was that white kid off the bench that killed us. I'm not saying we totally contained Nelson and West, but they didn't go off on us like I had feared.

[DrexPhanatic]

I just looked more closely at the box score and saw that Bashir ended up with more assists than Nelson. As he gets more playing time and experience -- limiting his turnovers -- he is going to be one hell of a point guard.

[JonP]

I for one don't care if Drexel never plays at the Palestra again. If its a home game for us it should be played at the DAC - thats our home court. We're not a member of the Big Five so why should our games against the Big Five be played at the Palestra?

I know this is just your opinion, but i think you're flat-out wrong. We absolutely must keep playing Philly teams and keep playing in the Palestra. We can win there, we just haven't been good enough to do it against teams of the caliber of St. Joe's and Temple. You wouldn't be saying this if we were winning.

Fact is, we're just not there yet this year. We may never get there this year. But we gotta keep playing these games, because Drexel gets more press from them than anything they'll do all year. Bruiser has raised our profile in Philly and playing these games raises it more. Think of it as our version of I-AA football -- people elsewhere don't care, but it's a big deal to us. Think too of Chaney at Temple -- he'll play anybody, anywhere. It should be our motto when it comes to the Big 5.

For those who weren't around during mid-1990s, I can't even convey how little attention we were given. We were one of the best teams in the city, and it was like we didn't even exist. Now, we're not all that good and we're getting some press. We gotta keep it up and get better.

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And please stop crying about the refs. It's bush-league and I'm sick of reading it. We'll just assume from here on out after every game that someone on this board thinks it was poorly officiated. OK?

Everybody gets crappy calls. You never lose games because of officiating. You lose games because you don't score more points than the other team.

[DUfunnyman]

And please stop crying about the refs. It's bush-league and I'm sick of reading it. We'll just assume from here on out after every game that someone on this board thinks it was poorly officiated. OK?

Everybody gets crappy calls. You never lose games because of officiating. You lose games because you don't score more points than the other team.

I don't think one person on here believes that we lost the game b/c of the refs. Do Nelson and West get some calls because they are Nelson and West? You bet your a*s they do. But I'll say it again, no one on here believes we lost the game because of the refs. OK?

[hardcoredon]

Yeah I'd like to see the person that thinks we lost because of the refs. I won't though because he doesn't exist. The problem and frustrating part is we always get screwed in that place. Always. That is the frustration we feel because its not right. Someone mentioned the phantom walking calls. I couldn't agree more. If they are going to call them, call them both ways because I sure seen SJU walk a few times that werent even close. But somehow, they never get called. Its 3 games of built up frustration that was let loose. Notice its only the Palestra games that this becomes and issue, because that's the only place it is an issue. At the DAC we get our share of bad calls, but we also get our share of calls our way. At the Palestra we get our share of bad calls and then we get another helping. Its like my grandma trying to feed me at Thanksgiving, it just doens't seem to stop.

The reason we lost is turnovers. Just like its been in all the games we lost.

[Halftime Hero]

Look, do all the Big Five schools play at the Palestra when they meet up with each other? No! Nova played at Temple already, SJU is going to play at Nova after the new year. When we're the home team where do we play? At the Palestra, completely taking away any chance of a "home-court" advantage. I'm certain that we would have beaten both Temple and Penn if those games were played at the DAC. Now the TU game was part of the Big Five classic so that one I can let slide, plus I'm pretty sure we were the away team. But why should be play Penn in their own gym year after year? I don't think we should stop playing these teams, hell they're the only good teams we can manage to get OOC. I'm just saying where's the respect? We're not in their little "basketball fraternity" so I say if its a home game on the schedule it should be played at the DAC.

[DUfunnyman]

I agree completely Halftime, but then again, you saw how many fans SJU had. Where would they all sit at the DAC? It's all about the money man......I bet it's Drexel's admin, and not SJU's that wants the games played at the Palestra.

I'm hoping when we move into the Armory, that the only times we play at the Palestra are when we are @ Penn, and the Big 5 classic.

[LateToTheGame]

In regards to the discussion about fouls, i thought the St. Joe's game was one of the best-called Drexel games I've seen all year. What I liked the most is that for most of the game, the refs LET THEM PLAY, and didn't call the ticky-tack stuff. I'm not sure where the refs were seeing on a couple of their travelling calls (or non-calls, when players are laying on the ground with the ball, then get up and dribble), but that's very minor.

I hate to say it, but in some of those earlier games this year, we actually deserved some of those large amounts of fouls called on us. :shock: Our boys are young and bound to make mistakes being over-aggressive and such. It's fine, that will improve.

[DrexelTim]

We did not deserve what happened in the Penn game.

[DragonKrys]

I agree, LTTG. If anything, we got some breaks in that St. Joes game (more than can be said about Penn). They missed some very obvious travelling calls and made some rather controversial ones, but in the end it was all pretty even. We were playing the 12th ranked team... we needed a near-perfect game. Instead we made a bunch of unforced turnovers and St. Joes shot better than they had all year. There's plenty the guys can learn from games like this.

As for playing at the Palestra, what choice do we have? We're not going to have anyone too great play at the DAC. So we get home-and-homes against the Colgates, Riders, Lafayettes, and Quinnipiacs of the world. We probably could play St. Joes as a road game every year, but I think we'd all prefer the "neutral" court. This doesn't have much to do with talent when you're talking A10 and Ivy teams, but rather the DAC itself. I think you'll see our Big 5 games rotating home and home once we have a new place. Well, maybe not Nova and Temple, but who knows who will be there and how they'll be in in 3 years.

[J.B.]

Many schools who play in gyms that are too small to handle crowds for certain games, have designated auxilary home courts. In the case of Drexel, the Palestra is their 2nd home court. Rider plays big home games in that new arena in Trenton. Many Big East schools, including Villanova, play some home games in bigger arenas.

In Drexel's case, their home court is just not adaquite to play teams from power conferences, or local teams with large fan bases. I know that we want to see Drexel win, but money is a big deal here for a school that has terrible alumni support, and works really hard to put a successful Division I basketball team on the court with terrible fan support. I see nothing wrong with Drexel playing Penn and St. Joseph's at the Palestra. Let's face it, we werent' going to beat that St. Joseph's team, no matter where it was played. So why not play it at the Palestra and get double the crowd and triple the ticket revenues for that game?

My only problem is with the Penn series, where Penn season ticket holders and students get their regular seats for Drexel home games, and DU season ticket holders get stuck on the crappy 200 level bleachers.

But other than that, we need to consider ourselves fortunate that the local schools will even play us at all, and stop worrying about where the games are played.

Just a note, while I was a student from 92-96, Drexel played a total of 4 games against city schools in 5 years. They were all against St. Joseph's. We lost all 4, but took the Hawks to OT on Hawk Hill in December of 93. St. Joe's DID play us at the DAC in December of 92, and they still beat us. And they didn't play us at all in 1996, which is a year that Drexel was a much better team.

[LateToTheGame]

We did not deserve what happened in the Penn game.

Yeah, the officiating in that game wasn't pretty. I'll give you that. Our defense was atrocious though, and I think that was more of a factor than the 8 million foul calls.

I'm trying to remember back to that game, and I can't seem to remember how Penn had so many open shots on the perimiter, but at the same time we never seemed to have men inside to rebound. Where was the defense? They always seemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Anyway, the point is that even though the refs really aggrivated me that game, the L was a result of the way the team played. That's usually the case, although I'm guilty of blaming the refs in the heat of the moment sometimes. :oops:

[Halftime Hero]

Well I'm sorry I started all this mess with the Palestra, just 3 games worth of frustration building up. However, touching on the ticket issue at the Palestra... there's one thing that Penn really screws us on, it was a Drexel home game, my ticket said section 109, row 2, was I permitted to sit in row 2? No. They reserved the first 4 rows in front of the students to Penn fans! Why on earth those people would want to sit in front of us in the first place is beyond me but that is total bullsh*t. Then, at the Temple game, we finally get the seats we paid for and I get some toothless lady working security standing RIGHT in front of me throughout the entire game, she smelled like she slept at the 52nd Street Station-Inn the night before and have more stubble than me on a monday morning. Meanwhile the Temple students had no security near them at all, yet we have ours not only watching us the whole time (and stinking up the joint) but standing right in front of us on the floor, wtf is that.

[LateToTheGame]

Meanwhile the Temple students had no security near them at all, yet we have ours not only watching us the whole time (and stinking up the joint) but standing right in front of us on the floor, wtf is that.

Apparently in the eyes of the rest of the city, WE are the thugs of Philly, not Temple. I don't agree with them, but I guess our reputation precedes us.

[hustle]

Playin in the DAC doesnt help us with calls either the Quinipiac game was the worst officiating of any game this season and that was played at the DAC. Timmy was gettin hammered while bringing the ball up and not only didnt they give him a call but they T-ed him up. If we weren't on fire that game we might have either lost or it atleast would have been closer.

[DragonKrys]

That technical on Whitworth must be the worst I've ever seen on Drexel. Put that ref in a rivalry game and he'd call a dozen T's by the end. He wasn't taking anything from anyone, including the other officials during their little conferences. Hope we don't see him again anytime soon :roll:

[hardcoredon]

The Quinnipiac game was the worst game I've ever seen called. Must have taken 3 hours to play. Definately don't want to see that joker again.

[RGS]

but took the Hawks to OT on Hawk Hill in December of 93

ouch. i still remember that one. as i was walking out of the fieldhouse, some st joe's alums were talking about how 'drexel has a nice little program, but will never really compete with us' :cry:

[Timer]

The Quinnipiac game was the worst game I've ever seen called. Must have taken 3 hours to play. Definately don't want to see that joker again.

Damn...and you guys got on my case for going on Vaca for that game!!!! Now you've got me curious to find a boxscore and see who the officials were in that game.