Question for the Zone: Dynasties

[P8triotfan4life]

( P ) Pronunciation Key (dn-st)
n. pl. dy·nas·ties
A succession of rulers from the same family or line.
A family or group that maintains power for several generations: a political dynasty controlling the state.

Over on the ODU board, the fact that they just won their first CAA Championship in what 10-12 years allows their posters to call themselves a DYNASTY? Do you consider ODU's program a Dynasty or a FLUKE?

Here is what are commonly referred to as Dynasties:

Duke Blue Devils
New England Patriots
Los Angeles Lakers
Detroit Pistons
Chicago Bulls
Boston Celtics

Now try adding Old Dominion Monarchs? Dynasty? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[hemloche]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=dynasty dy·nas·ty

( P ) Pronunciation Key (dn-st)
n. pl. dy·nas·ties
A succession of rulers from the same family or line.
A family or group that maintains power for several generations: a political dynasty controlling the state.

Over on the ODU board, the fact that they just one their first CAA Championship in what 10-12 years allows their posters to call themselves a DYNASTY? Do you consider ODU's program a Dynasty or a FLUKE?

Here is what are commonly referred to as Dynasties:

Duke Blue Devils
New England Patriots
Los Angeles Lakers
Detroit Pistons
Chicago Bulls
Boston Celtics

Now try adding Old Dominion Monarchs? Dynasty? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


the ODU women's team can be considered a dynasty since they have won the CAA every year since they joined the conference. The men's team nope sorry they are not a dynasty, a consistently good team with a chance to win the conference for a year or two in a row but dynasty, nope sorry. If and only if they win the conference for the next couple of years, then maybe they could be but not just yet.

[gmutom]

Trash talking and rivalries aside, this really is ridiculous. ODU has won the CAA title once in the last decade and they lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament to a team that Jablomi was dogging earlier in the season.

Monarch fans should enjoy last year's success and hope they can build on it. Let's reconvene in five years and see where that dynasty talk stands. Until then, it's a word that doesn't belong in a sentence with any team in our conference.

[bigblue1975]

If you take the time to read the thread from the beginning I don't
think you see anyone claiming one
championship is a dynasty.

What you will read is if ODU signs Petrukonis and Neely (both great
players to replace Loughton and Hunter) that yes including last
year, this year, and the strength these 2 players would bring to the
the team for another 4 years the word dynasty is in order. Will it
happen, who knows? Speculation is fun and that's all that was
being said. Find one quote that says because of last year we feel we have
a dynasty. If we do sign Petrukonis and Neely I would like our chances
once they arrive. :D The thread is below.


http://www.caazone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=30667

[odu2k4]

This really is ridiculous. two more consecutive and yes. The women are a dynasty hands down but who really cares.

[DUHANK]

If you take the time to read the thread from the beginning I don't
think you see anyone claiming one
championship is a dynasty.

What you will read is if ODU signs Petrukonis and Neely (both great
players to replace Loughton and Hunter) that yes including last
year, this year, and the strength these 2 players would bring to the
the team for another 4 years the word dynasty is in order. Will it
happen, who knows? Speculation is fun and that's all that was
being said. Find one quote that says because of last year we feel we have
a dynasty. If we do sign Petrukonis and Neely I would like our chances
once they arrive. :D The thread is below.


http://www.caazone.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=30667

this is assuming ODU wins the caa 4-5 years in row, this isn't going to happen, but if by some miracle it comes to pass, then I will be the first one to call ODU a dynasty.

winning back to back or three in a row would be cause for dynasty speculation, ODU just won it's first title in almost a decade, this is crazytalk

[Monarch Nation]

Don't fall for this fellows. P8 takes a comment out of context, as bigblue1975 pointed out, and used it to start a thread fueling his need to trash ODU.

We are not a dynasty, and with comings and goings of coaches in this league (Taylor included), we probably won't be one. Dynasties are made from great coaches staying a long time at one place. That doesn't happen in the CAA.

[bigblue1975]

Not crazy at all. Winning a championship this year is certainly
reasonable. Who is the favorite if not ODU?

If Petrukonis is as good as everyone says and he signs with ODU
more championships are certainly possible. Obviously time will
tell but if the proper pieces fall together for ODU a few more championships in the near future is not out of the question.

With that being said I am the first to realize that ODU could not win
it all this year (though I think they are the heavy favorite) and
certainly any team in the CAA could land great recruits and win a
few championships of their own.

Remember this thread was started by someone claiming that ODU
posters were saying one championship was a dynasty, which no one
from ODU ever said. :lol:

[ZoneAdmin]

Hmm....


That would be perfect. Can you say "dynasty"?

and


Hey, P8, what's up?

I'll say it right now, if we land Neely and Petrukonis, the dynasty is officially in place. A guard with ability like Hunter, and a 6'11, 260lbs center who was just named to the All Junior World Championship team (along with 3 US members who will all be in the NBA within two years, plus a Turk who may go straight to the NBA).

These guys would be freshmen with Dahi, Val, Williamson all seniors, and Johnson, Lidonde, Thompson, Adams, Harris and Janko still here.

DYNASTY.

P8 may be stretching it a little... but Mr. J certainly was the first to start throwing the term around prematurely. I don't care if you guys sign Kevin Durant and Tywon Lawson.... ODU wouldn't be considered a dynasty for many years.

[BubbaDawg]

*yawn*

file this thread under the heading "no sh*t sherlock"

[stonecoldkramer]

Forgot to mention probably the 2 most storied college teams ever UCLA and Notre Dame.

[Patriot08]

this is assuming ODU wins the caa 4-5 years in row, this isn't going to happen, but if by some miracle it comes to pass, then I will be the first one to call ODU a dynasty.

I dont care if they win the CAA 10 years in a row, unless they start winning in the NCAA tourney, the word dynasty and ODU dont belong in the same sentence.

[stonecoldkramer]

as for Old Dominions mens basketball team being a dynasty, its definitely not one if its their 1st mens championship. ODU women is not a dynasty either, yea they have won like 14 CAA titles and theyve been ranked number 1 in the nation a few times. But what have they got to show for it other than that. One national championship which was like in 1985. You can call ODU womens basketball the Atlanta Braves of Womens Basketball.

[OJoo]

not sure if you're being sarcastic there kramer, but the odu women should be considered a dynasty, at the very least within the caa. they have one more women's bball national title than towson.

[stonecoldkramer]

Dont need to bring up Towsons lack of success in a dynasty post, its just an excuse to ignore the truth about ODU's so-called Dynasty.

When u look at all the great teams listed in the 1st post of the thread, they have many things in common, they won the whole thing numerous times in a span of time. A conference championship is a great thing and gives u bragging rights among the conference but to call u a dynasty is a laugh. Maybe ODU won so many times because its level of competition wasnt no great(no disrespect to other CAA Womens teams) much like ACC football for the first several years w/ Florida St.

Would you call the Braves a Dynasty? 13 consecutive NL East Titles with one World Series Title.

[OJoo]

i'm not a braves fan, but your point is taken. however, please re-read the part of my post where i said the odu women should be considered a dynasty "at the very least within the caa". you're correct in that one title does not a dynasty make, but there should be something said for winning consistently on a high level. and, just for kicks, if we extent the span of time another 4 years longer, the ladies would have 3 national titles.

[TJ Reaper]

ODU's women's basketball program IS a CAA dynasty. There is NO denying that. Dynasties do end, but they are always remembered. ODU's WBB program is STILL winning and definitely deserves the respect that we all (should) give them.

As for ODU's men's program, no way, no shape, no how. I think Jablomi was using the term very loosely and not being precisely serious. Come on.

Okay, for example......

Pennsylvania and Princeton men's basketball in the Ivy League....DYNASTY. In the last 45 years, they have won or shared 40 titles.......of 45........THAT'S a dynasty.

But, in saying that, it's still the Ivy League. Did that boil anyone's blood?

ODU has a LOT of work to do before they would EVER become a dynasty. Back to back championships is just that; back to back championships. The key here is to NOT act like no one has ever done it before......UNCW in 02', 03'.......

JMU SHARED FIVE CAA CHAMPIONSHIPS IN THE EARLY TO MID 90'S....FIVE..... Do we think back to them as a dynasty? NO.


This conversation is pretty pointless, but yet I had to add my 300 words.....good thing I type at 85 wpm :)

[4 FOR ODU]

The only national Dynasty in the CAA is ODU Field Hockey and since I'm one of about 5,000 people in the country that cares about FH, I'm not sure that matters.

To be a Dynasty you have to win with Differnt groups of players. The Steelers of the 4 superbowl championships not a Dynasty(almost all the same guys) The 49ers of the 80's a Dynasty.

I'm a huge ODU fan who has had season tickets to men and women up until this year(Moved) But lets win an NCAA Tourny game or 2 before worring about our place in history. Or 6, 7 ... 14 CAA's in a row like the women.

[scottyward]

Dynasty?? Wasn't that a TV show ??

Face it pal, you can write all the trash about ODU that you want and even display your cute little avatar. Your envy is evident for all to see.

envy (en ve) n. pl -vies
1. Resentful desire for another's possessions and advantages.

<Their>
<ODU's basketball success provoked envy among middle of the pack schools with less successful programs.>

Rest assured , nothing you do will prevent your team from finishing in the middle of the pack again next year....and, judging by all the recruits that went elsewhere this year, you will probably dwell in the middle of the pack for YEARS to come.

[Mr. Jablomi]

Ouch! :lol:

[RamKnowledge]

IMO.........current "CAA" dynasties (men).

Men
VCU Baseball - 6 of 8 NCAAs (one non-NCAA year we had a 33 RPI) :x
VCU Tennis - 13 of 13 NCAAs
VCU Soccer - 6 of 8 NCAAs (3 straight Top 10 seeds; Elite Eight)
VCU Golf - 7 straight CAA titles '96-'02 (WAS a dynasty; no longer)

On the men's side, it's possible that no other CAA school will repeat these feats in my lifetime (hopefully another 40 years or so).

[bluehenbillk]

haha

[T-McGriddle]

What a crappy thread started by a crappy poster. Nobody from ODU is claiming that we have a dynasty right now. The prediction was for the future. The 2005 season is ODU's for the losing. The 2006 season ODU should be the heavy favorite again, barring any unforseen happenings. With two big recruits to replace Al and Isaiah, ODU very well could make a serious run at 2, 3, or even 4 more championships. If, and only if, ODU is able to win championships for 4 consecutive years, they should be considered a dynasty within the CAA. ODU posters on our board recognize that we are not a dynasty yet, but the prospect is promising, and the definition of dynasty is restricted to the confines of the CAA. Nobody, including Haywood, thinks that ODU will be a dynasty on the national level for a long time, if ever.

[gmutom]

What is getting lost in this discussion is that CAA dominance doesn't mean dick if you don't make waves in the NCAA tournament. ODU had a fine season last year, but they get no brownie points for playing Michigan State close for 30 minutes.

Sometimes we get so lost in our own little CAA world that we lose perspective. If ODU's goal is to be Queen of the Pigs, then reel off four more CAA titles and call yourselves a dynasty. But nobody in our conference will ever get respect around the country until we finally win a few games in the NCAA tournament over the course of a few years.

That, folks, is how dynasties are built.

[ODUBB35]

We ODU fans are very excited about the near future, and with good reason. However, the D word was used on the ODU board with some conditions. No one claimed that ODU was a dynasty now because of one title (ridiculous). While we are excited about the coming season, the reality is that we don't even have a verbal commitment from either of the two recruits that were being discussed (these two being the main focus of the "Dynasty" thread). IF we get those two, and IF we win this year, and IF no one else gets equally talented recruits, then maybe we can get excited about a potential dynasty.

Of course, those who took the time to actually look at the ODU board already knew this, notwithstanding the source for this thread...

[Ovis Fan]

One of the great things about being a fan of the CAA is that there has never been a dynasty in men's basketball, certainly none that compares to ODU womens b-ball. That means that the league has stayed well balanced and/or that great coaches move on. What that also means is that fans of each team must enjoy the view from the top to the fullest because it's fleeting. Ask GMU, UNCW, JMU, VCU, and all the others.

[Big Green]

One of greatest Dynasties in the CAA has to be the W&M men's cross-country team which has won 17 straight championships, never losing a meet to a CAA team in addition to the Conference Championship Meets.

Also, the W&M men's gymnastics team, while competing in a non-CAA
sport, has won 34 consecutive Virginia State Championship Meets.

[gmutom]

One of greatest Dynasties in the CAA has to be the W&M men's cross-country team which has won 17 straight championships, never losing a meet to a CAA team in addition to the Conference Championship Meets.

Now that is truly a dynasty! Thanks for giving everybody some perspective around here, Big Green.

[s_curl]

One of greatest Dynasties in the CAA has to be the W&M men's cross-country team which has won 17 straight championships, never losing a meet to a CAA team in addition to the Conference Championship Meets.

Also, the W&M men's gymnastics team, while competing in a non-CAA
sport, has won 34 consecutive Virginia State Championship Meets.

i'm just hoping Big Green researched this -- and didn't know it off the top of their head! :lol: :wink:

[SaintDK10]

One of greatest Dynasties in the CAA has to be the W&M men's cross-country team which has won 17 straight championships, never losing a meet to a CAA team in addition to the Conference Championship Meets.

Also, the W&M men's gymnastics team, while competing in a non-CAA
sport, has won 34 consecutive Virginia State Championship Meets.
If this is true, then I am really impressed. Sustaining that kind of level of dominance for so long is a great achievement. And, it furthers my hypothesis: skinny, smart white kids sure can run. :wink:

[s_curl]

I forgot to mention. This whole thread and this dynasty talk is nonsense.


non·sense n.

1) Subject matter, behavior, or language that is foolish or absurd.

2) Matter of little or no importance or usefulness: a chatty letter full of gossip and nonsense.



:wink: :lol:

[TJ Reaper]

I'm a VCU fan, but a team going to the NCAA's does not make them a dynasty in the CAA (especially since a lot of those bids in MS and a few in baseball were at-larges). I'll give you men's tennis (and golf); that definitely was a dynasty until W&M ended it last season.

Can anyone beat Hofstra in softball or wrestling for the title?
Can anyone beat ODU in women's basketball for the title?
What about Towson in men's lacrosse? 4 straight championships
VCU dominated in golf from the time they entered the CAA until 2002.
Before Delaware, no one could touch ODU in field hockey.


Big Green, where are you getting your stats??? Are you forgetting that (a) Navy won the first 7 championships (83-89), (b) JMU won the championship in 92, 98, and 99. W&M has won 13 men's cross country CAA championship meets; six straight (very impressive). On the women's side, W&M has won 12 CAA championships; 3 straight.

[stuball888]

WITHIN the CAA Hofstras claim would be softball and wrestling. If you win 14 straight CAA titles like ODU womens basketball has the it is a dynasty within the CAA.

[Al]

As Reaper pointed out, Big Green's off on his stats. W&M men's cross country has won 6 straight CAA titles, not 17. Still impressive, though.


ODU women is not a dynasty either, yea they have won like 14 CAA titles and theyve been ranked number 1 in the nation a few times. But what have they got to show for it other than that. One national championship which was like in 1985.

ODU has won 4 national titles in women's basketball, not 1. That is the 3rd most in the country (behind Tennessee and UConn).

ODU has the 3rd most wins in NCAA history (behind Tennessee and La Tech). ODU has been to 6 Final Fours, 8 Elite 8's, and 15 Sweet 16's. ODU has finished ranked in the top 10, 13 times and in the top 25, 23 times.

I'd say ODU has quite a bit "to show for it" nationally. In the CAA, no one comes close to ODU's history.

ODU field hockey is the biggest dynasty at ODU, though. ODU has 12 CAA titles in 14 years, including 9 straight. ODU has only lost 5 times in 14 years to a CAA team.

But they are also dominant nationally. ODU's won 9 national titles (most in NCAA history) and has been to 15 Final Fours (most in NCAA history). Until last year, ODU had never finished lower than 7th in the country. They own almost every NCAA record.

[s_curl]

speaking of Field Hockey in the Beach area --- I think Cox HS (alma mater of Jason Dubois for you VCU fans) fits into the dynasty category :wink:

o wait, we are talking about college sports here. :P

[BubbaDawg]

OMG Al.... please tell me that you had to look those stats up?

[TJ Reaper]

Al, you might want to mention that ODU has only won one NCAA women's basketball championship. The others were prior to the NCAA's takeover of women's sports in 1983 (right? correct if wrong).

[4 FOR ODU]

Al, you might want to mention that ODU has only won one NCAA women's basketball championship. The others were prior to the NCAA's takeover of women's sports in 1983 (right? correct if wrong).

I think Al correctly said National Titles, Before 1983 women's sports didn't have the "Joy" of NCAA supervision.

[dukaholic]

Damn, Al is on the ball.

Good to see you back posting bud. Hope all is well!

JMU had a nice little swim and dive thing going in the 90's, but once we cut funding to the program they definitely started suffering.

[hemloche]

my final word on the subject, every school in this conference in every sport goes through their runs on top. Whether its men's baskeball or women's field hockey. There are teams that are dominant over long periods of time, ODU Women's basketball, VCU baseball etc. There has never been a team except for the ODU Women's team that can be considered a dynasty within conference play. What Jablomi did by throwing out the word dynasty was well lets say idiotic at best. He just goes to prove how much he doesn't know. And well in my opinion, he's a troll. He throws out bull#$% statements like that just to get a rise out of people, he has done it since the early days of the zone and will do so until the rest of us stop falling into his trap. The ODU men's basketball team had a great year and they are poised for another one but every team in the conference, except maybe JMU (just kidding guys) has improved this year and UNCW, VCU, GMU and the schools that have left the conference all know that the dominance of the conference is very fleeting. Coaches leave, players leave and well its hard to bring in the same talent year after year. All I have been warning to the ODU fans is to not count your chickens before they hatch. The games still need to be played and won. Its going to be a great year for the conference and well we all need to relax a bit and step away from the zone and enjoy the summer.

[Mr. Jablomi]

If any of you guys took the time to read my post, you'd see that I stated "if" we signed these two kids, than the dynasty would be in place.
With this year's race already decided, giving us back to back titles, we'd have a kid coming in at center who was just named to the Junior World Championships All Tourney team, along with four future NBA players.
Throw him in with Dahi, Val, Williamson, Johnson, Adams, Harris, and IF we signed Neely...we'd just keep on rolling.

Loche, don't obsess. It's not healthy.

[RamKnowledge]

Reap wrote:

I'm a VCU fan, but a team going to the NCAA's does not make them a dynasty in the CAA (especially since a lot of those bids in MS and a few in baseball were at-larges). I'll give you men's tennis (and golf); that definitely was a dynasty until W&M ended it last season.

Reap..........a few points my man.

Point #1: IMO, whether a school gets an "auto" or an "at-large", they're dancing regardless. The "at-large" school could have had the better regular season (even a dominant one) but "tripped" in the CAA tourney (example - VCU's men's soccer team this year). The "auto" bid, on the other hand, could have gone to a team that actually struggled a bit during the regular season but got hot in the CAA tourney (example - VCU's men's baseball team this year). That being said, a "bid" is a "bid." On a personal note, I think getting an "at-large" from the CAA is even more impressive. It means your credentials (over an entire season) stack up with schools from all the power conferences.

Point #2: With rosters turning over every 3-4 years, with "successful" CAA coaches sometimes moving on, with the relatively few bids CAA schools are afforded overall, to "dance" on a regular (almost annual) basis over a period of 8-10+ years is remarkable.

The term "dynasty" (and what actually constitutes one) is in the "mind of the beholder" (if you will). Within the confines of the CAA, I'd say VCU men's tennis, men's baseball, and men's soccer qualify. These programs have not only won in the CAA annually over a long period of time, they've advanced in the dance (sometimes quite far) and been nationally ranked quite often.

[Leesburg Chankenstank III]

GMUTOM wrote:


Sometimes we get so lost in our own little CAA world that we lose perspective. If ODU's goal is to be Queen of the Pigs, then reel off four more CAA titles and call yourselves a dynasty. But nobody in our conference will ever get respect around the country until we finally win a few games in the NCAA tournament over the course of a few years.

You have a talent for the written word, my friend. LOL

[hemloche]

With this year's race already decided,

Do you have some trick to see into the future? because that is the most idiotic statement that you have ever said. The games still need to be played and won...I repeat in plain english and I will use small words so you can understand. THE GAMES STILL NEED TO BE PLAYED AND WON!!!!

[DUHANK]

With this year's race already decided,

that is the most idiotic statement that you have ever said.

I think that is still up for debate

[GannonFan]

With this year's race already decided,

that is the most idiotic statement that you have ever said.

I think that is still up for debate

I think we need a poll for that kind of question.

[BradMan]

I think things will settle down to normal....meaning the way it has been for the last decade once Loughton graduates. I don't know how a white guy gets so good. Oh well VCU had one years ago named Mike Schlegel. After Loughton leaves I think ODU will be in the running like we have been but the word dynasty make me laugh....at ODU....lol

[Mr. Jablomi]

Guys from GMU, DU, and UD questioning an ODU fan about how good we'll be this year. Too funny.
You guys need to worry about one thing, not getting humiliated by ODU.

Case closed. Season over.

[BaNgMyPrOgRaM]

Season over :?: Nahh, that's not the most idiotic :!: :wink:

[Al]

speaking of Field Hockey in the Beach area --- I think Cox HS (alma mater of Jason Dubois for you VCU fans) fits into the dynasty category

Cox used to be a dynasty (13 state titles), but they haven't won a state title since 1999. Princess Anne High (also in Va Beach) has been the more dominant program recently. Cox was hurt when legendary coach Nancy Fowlkes left to be an assistant on the Cox football team (yes, FOOTBALL).


OMG Al.... please tell me that you had to look those stats up?

No, unfortunately, I didn't look those stats up. One of my favorite things to do when I'm supposed to be "working" is to look at media guides (and read the CAAZone!). Read those things enough, you remember the stats. At least it's better than work! :)


Al, you might want to mention that ODU has only won one NCAA women's basketball championship. The others were prior to the NCAA's takeover of women's sports in 1983

A national championship is a national championship. It's not ODU's fault the NCAA didn't decide women's sports were worth supporting until 1982. The only thing that changed in 1982 was the name (from AIAW to NCAA). It was still Tennessee, ODU, USC, La Tech, etc fighting for the title.

I hate it when people discredit the AIAW (I'm talking about in general, not you Reaper). The AIAW built the foundation for women's sports, but the NCAA gets all the credit. ESPN ignores the AIAW entirely...of course ESPN thinks women's hoops didn't start until UConn got good in 1995. :roll:


Good to see you back posting bud. Hope all is well!

All is well with me. But I never really stopped posting, I just cut down a bit during the off season (or at least I try). Hope all is well with you.

[s_curl]

Guys from GMU, DU, and UD questioning an ODU fan about how good we'll be this year. Too funny.
You guys need to worry about one thing, not getting humiliated by ODU.

Case closed. Season over.

I can buy into this statement Mr. J. Heck, our board expert P8triotfan4life has even stated:



Anything less than making it deep in the NIT will be a TREMENDOUS dissapointment this year.

who needs the NCAA tourney appearance, when we can make it DEEP into the NIT!!!!

Congrats to ODU, the 2006 CAA Men's basketball champs! :wink: :lol:

[GannonFan]

Guys from GMU, DU, and UD questioning an ODU fan about how good we'll be this year. Too funny.
You guys need to worry about one thing, not getting humiliated by ODU.

Case closed. Season over.

Uh, not exactly what I was referring to. Maybe you need to open that case file again, Quincy. :roll:

[TJ Reaper]

Al,

The point of mentioning that the "one" was under the NCAA banner was only to reply to that one person that said ODU only has 1. That person probably looked at a NCAA media guide or book and made a judgement vs. (a) knowing from the past or (b) looking at ODU's media guide.

[VRam2]

CAA, dynasty and basketball should never all be used in the same sentence. Ever. Period.

[ramathon74]

Yet you just did it! DOOOOOHHHH!!! :lol:

[VRam2]

That's the last time Rammy. :lol: Ever.

[gmutom]

Guys from GMU, DU, and UD questioning an ODU fan about how good we'll be this year. Too funny.
You guys need to worry about one thing, not getting humiliated by ODU.


Let's be real here, Jablomi: We humilated you as bad as you humiliated us last year. ODU admittedly had a better overall season than Mason, but head to head it doesn't get more even than both of us holding serve with double-digit wins over one another at home.

[BradMan]

Guys from GMU, DU, and UD questioning an ODU fan about how good we'll be this year. Too funny.
You guys need to worry about one thing, not getting humiliated by ODU.


Let's be real here, Jablomi: We humilated you as bad as you humiliated us last year. ODU admittedly had a better overall season than Mason, but head to head it doesn't get more even than both of us holding serve with double-digit wins over one another at home.

I'll agree with that! 10-2, VCU to ODU

But actually I think VCU and ODU have had a more storied past. Throughout the early 80's it was VCU, ODU, UAB all together in. Lately it has been VCU beating up on ODU. But now ODU has come back to split the season and win the tourney. I remember the 80's rivalry and look forward to a 2005-10 rivalry.

[gmutom]

Truth be told, we match up better with ODU than we do with teams like VCU and Drexel. Because we shoot so many jumpers, we tend to struggle with teams that use our missed shots to set up their fast break. (This is why we got blown out so quickly by Maryland. We couldn't hit a perimiter shot to save our life, which led to a ton of uncontested fastbreak points.)

ODU has some quick players, but they as a team are more likely to set up in a half-court set than to get into a run-and-gun style of play like some other teams in the conference.

[Mr. Jablomi]

ODU is head and shoulders better than either VCU or GMU. No discussion necessary.

[EverydayinVA]

( P ) Pronunciation Key (dn-st)
n. pl. dy·nas·ties
A succession of rulers from the same family or line.
A family or group that maintains power for several generations: a political dynasty controlling the state.

Over on the ODU board, the fact that they just won their first CAA Championship in what 10-12 years allows their posters to call themselves a DYNASTY? Do you consider ODU's program a Dynasty or a FLUKE?

Here is what are commonly referred to as Dynasties:

Duke Blue Devils????

New England Patriots
Los Angeles Lakers
Detroit Pistons
Chicago Bulls
Boston Celtics

Now try adding Old Dominion Monarchs? Dynasty? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


When did Duke ever win 3-4 NCAA championships in a row? They are one of the big boys but NEVER a dynasty. Odu is not a dynasty neither probably will be, I'm as big a fan as anyone, but for anyone to think a team on the mens side could win 4 in a row is delusional. ODU is going to win 4 out of 5 though. :wink:

[bigblue1975]

( P ) Pronunciation Key (dn-st)
n. pl. dy·nas·ties
A succession of rulers from the same family or line.
A family or group that maintains power for several generations: a political dynasty controlling the state.

Over on the ODU board, the fact that they just won their first CAA Championship in what 10-12 years allows their posters to call themselves a DYNASTY? Do you consider ODU's program a Dynasty or a FLUKE?

Here is what are commonly referred to as Dynasties:

Duke Blue Devils????

New England Patriots
Los Angeles Lakers
Detroit Pistons
Chicago Bulls
Boston Celtics

Now try adding Old Dominion Monarchs? Dynasty? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


When did Duke ever win 3-4 NCAA championships in a row? They are one of the big boys but NEVER a dynasty. Odu is not a dynasty neither probably will be, I'm as big a fan as anyone, but for anyone to think a team on the mens side could win 4 in a row is delusional. ODU is going to win 4 out of 5 though. :wink:

:lol:

[EverydayinVA]

You gotta bring those Dukies back down to earth sometimes. :wink:

[SaintDK10]

Can we just end this pointless thread with one thing we all can agree on? While it may not be the longest dynasty in the CAA, it certainly is the most grueling one to maintain. Of course, I am speaking of Maine Jeff and his continuous appearance on CAA Zone, despite the beating and hatred he receives each and every post. Just put yourself in his shoes. Most of us wouldn't last a week, let alone months. I know I couldn't handle the humiliation he receives on daily basis. And worst of all, he is always pressed by his closes rival, mAssMan, for the title of the biggest toolbag on this board. It's not easy for Jeffie to maintain his title, but he does it, post after post. That my friends, is a true dynasty.

Here's to Jeff and Ass Man - may they forever keep us entertained.

[ziggy]

If any of you thick heads still don't know why ODU claims "dynasty" in women's basketball and field hockey, go back and read Al's post.

Also, as others have indicated, dynasties are made by consistent high level performances, winnings, and championships at both conference and national levels. Who else in the CAA has done this? No one, zilch, Nada.

Doesn't matter how hard you try to present your stats, dynasty means ODU, and only ODU, folks.

Go ahead, sit around and usurp all your freaking energies hating ODU while watching ODU continue it's unabated dynasty reign!!!

[DUHANK]

If any of you thick heads still don't know why ODU claims "dynasty" in women's basketball and field hockey, go back and read Al's post.

Also, as others have indicated, dynasties are made by consistent high level performances, winnings, and championships at both conference and national levels. Who else in the CAA has done this? No one, zilch, Nada.

Doesn't matter how hard you try to present your stats, dynasty means ODU, and only ODU, folks.

Go ahead, sit around and usurp all your freaking energies hating ODU while watching ODU continue it's unabated dynasty reign!!!

i believe the debate was about ODU men's basketball, debating dynasties in women's sports is pointless

[ziggy]

DUHANK, go back and check......some folks were questioning ODU women's sports (basketball in particular) in terms of dynasties.