Player of the Year: A Closer Look

[TJ Reaper]

Hello, everyone. I am opening the floor for voters to unofficially place your vote for Player of the Year. Now, I think that Nick George, Alex Loughton, Harding Nana, Jai Lewis, and Loren Stokes are DEFINITE first teamers. Point blank, period. We may get a 6th in there, but those 5 are locks. When you look at who is player of the year worthy, you must consider Loughton, George, Nana in the frontline. Stokes and Lewis also have shots (Stokes is truely an amazing player).

Without further ado, here are the stats for each of the "First Teamers"....since the OOC opposition varied so much, only the conference stats are included. Please make an informed decision as you vote for Player of the Year:



TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 6-13 0-0 2-5 5 4 9 2 14 2 0 0 2 30 W VS W&M
40 Loughton,Alex....... c 3-7 0-1 2-2 2 5 7 3 8 2 2 1 1 25 W AT DREXEL
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 7-10 0-1 2-2 4 6 10 2 16 0 1 0 4 24 W VS JMU
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 3-9 0-1 1-2 2 5 7 4 7 0 1 2 1 23 W AT TOWSON
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 7-15 2-2 2-2 4 8 12 1 18 1 1 4 1 26 W VS MASON
40 Loughton,Alex....... f 9-16 1-1 0-1 1 3 4 4 19 1 2 0 2 32 W AT HOFSTRA
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 5-11 0-1 3-4 3 10 13 2 13 1 1 2 1 31 W VS UNCW
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 6-10 1-4 3-5 2 4 6 2 16 2 0 1 3 33 W VS DELAWARE
40 Loughton,Alex....... f 5-13 0-2 2-3 6 4 10 3 12 2 2 2 2 30 L AT VCU
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 8-16 0-0 5-7 8 4 12 4 21 3 0 1 1 27 W VS DREXEL
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 7-11 0-1 6-6 4 6 10 1 20 2 4 1 2 35 W VS TOWSON
40 Loughton,Alex....... c 7-14 0-0 4-5 2 4 6 3 18 1 3 0 0 32 W AT UNCW
40 Loughton,Alex....... c 5-11 0-1 0-0 1 2 3 2 10 1 3 0 0 25 W AT DELAWARE
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 11-15 0-1 3-3 3 6 9 3 25 1 2 0 0 26 W VS VCU
40 Loughton,Alex....... f 3-11 0-1 4-4 4 5 9 1 10 0 1 0 3 28 L AT MASON
40 Loughton,Alex....... c 8-12 0-2 2-3 3 7 10 3 18 4 1 0 1 34 W AT W&M
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 3-11 0-1 10-13 4 9 13 1 16 2 1 2 0 33 L VS HOFSTRA
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40 LOUGHTON, ALEX (TOT). 103-205 4-20 51-67 58 92 150 41 261 25 25 16 24 494 (14-3 CAA)
40 LOUGHTON, ALEX (AVG). 50.2% 20.0% 76.1% 8.8 RPG 15.4 PPG 29.1 MPG


ALEX LOUGHTON - CAA PLAYER OF THE YEAR CANDIDATE
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15.4 PPG
50.2% SHOOTING
20.0% PERIMETER SHOOTING
76.1% FREE THROW SHOOTING
8.8 RPG
3.4 OFFENSIVE RPG
1.5 ASSIST/GAME (1.5 T/O)
1.4 STEALS/GAME
0.9 BLOCK/GAME
29.1 MINUTES/GAME
8 DOUBLE-DOUBLES (POINTS-REBOUNDS)
3 20+ POINT GAMES


ALEX LOUGHTON - BEST THREE CAA GAMES
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TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 11-15 0-1 3-3 3 6 9 3 25 1 2 0 0 26 W VS VCU
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 7-15 2-2 2-2 4 8 12 1 18 1 1 4 1 26 W VS MASON
40 Loughton, Alex...... c 8-16 0-0 5-7 8 4 12 4 21 3 0 1 1 27 W VS DREXEL




TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
01 Nana, Harding....... f 9-19 1-4 2-5 3 9 12 4 21 1 2 0 1 31 W VS DREXEL
01 Nana, Harding....... f 10-18 0-2 4-5 2 8 10 4 24 1 2 2 0 30 L AT TOWSON
01 Nana, Harding....... f 7-14 2-5 9-13 1 9 10 4 25 1 2 1 1 35 W AT W&M
01 Nana, Harding....... f 7-18 1-4 5-6 2 10 12 3 20 1 2 3 2 45 W VS MASON
01 Nana, Harding....... f 5-12 2-5 4-5 1 10 11 1 16 0 1 3 0 31 W VS JMU
01 Nana, Harding....... f 11-22 6-9 1-3 2 4 6 2 29 3 5 0 1 40 L VS VCU
01 Nana, Harding....... f 7-16 2-5 3-4 6 6 12 0 19 1 3 0 0 37 L AT HOFSTRA
01 Nana, Harding....... f 6-13 2-6 2-3 2 10 12 4 16 1 0 1 2 39 L VS ODU
01 Nana, Harding....... f 2-12 1-7 3-4 2 5 7 2 8 2 2 4 0 40 L VS UNCW
01 Nana, Harding....... f 4-9 1-6 7-8 1 6 7 4 16 3 4 1 1 37 L AT MASON
01 Nana, Harding....... f 6-10 3-6 5-6 2 9 11 4 20 1 4 2 2 36 W AT JMU
01 Nana, Harding....... f 5-10 4-6 2-2 2 6 8 2 16 1 4 0 0 33 W VS W&M
01 Nana, Harding....... f 4-11 2-7 1-2 1 8 9 3 11 2 2 1 2 39 L VS ODU
01 Nana, Harding....... f 4-11 2-6 1-3 1 10 11 3 11 2 2 0 3 36 W VS TOWSON
01 Nana, Harding....... f 11-23 4-9 4-4 5 6 11 2 30 0 1 1 1 40 L AT VCU
01 Nana, Harding....... f 3-9 0-3 4-7 1 5 6 4 10 0 6 0 2 30 L VS HOFSTRA
01 Nana, Harding....... f 4-11 2-9 4-7 4 13 17 3 14 0 4 3 1 39 L AT UNCW
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01 NANA, HARDING (TOT). 105-238 35-99 61-87 38 134 172 49 306 20 46 22 19 618 (7-10 CAA)
01 NANA, HARDING (AVG). 44.1% 35.4% 70.1% 10.1 RPG 18.0 PPG 36.4 MPG



HARDING NANA - CAA PLAYER OF THE YEAR CANDIDATE
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18.0 PPG
44.1% SHOOTING
35.4% PERIMETER SHOOTING
10.1 RPG
2.2 OFFENSIVE RPG
1.2 ASSIST/GAME (2.7 T/O)
1.1 STEALS/GAME
1.3 BLOCKS/GAME
36.4 MINUTES/GAME
11 DOUBLE-DOUBLES
7 20+ POINT GAMES
4 PLAYED ENTIRE GAME

HARDING NANA - BEST THREE CAA GAMES
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TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
01 Nana, Harding....... f 11-23 4-9 4-4 5 6 11 2 30 0 1 1 1 40 L AT VCU
01 Nana, Harding....... f 11-22 6-9 1-3 2 4 6 2 29 3 5 0 1 40 L VS VCU
01 Nana, Harding....... f 6-10 3-6 5-6 2 9 11 4 20 1 4 2 2 36 W AT JMU




TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
21 George, Nick........ f 4-14 1-5 2-4 3 2 5 1 11 3 3 0 1 38 L AT UNCW
21 George, Nick........ f 7-12 1-3 5-7 2 10 12 3 20 2 8 0 4 38 W AT MASON
21 George, Nick........ f 4-13 1-6 6-10 2 4 6 2 15 4 1 0 1 31 W AT TOWSON
21 George, Nick........ f 3-9 1-5 0-0 5 2 7 0 7 1 1 1 0 32 L VS DREXEL
21 George, Nick........ f 3-9 1-4 5-6 2 2 4 2 12 5 2 0 4 27 W VS HOFSTRA
21 George, Nick........ f 6-16 1-3 3-4 2 7 9 2 16 0 0 0 1 27 W AT DELAWARE
21 George, Nick........ f 9-16 2-4 4-5 2 4 6 5 24 2 5 1 1 42 W AT W&M
21 George, Nick........ f 5-15 1-6 5-9 6 6 12 3 16 1 3 1 0 36 L VS JMU
21 George, Nick........ f 10-14 3-5 4-6 1 6 7 0 27 1 2 2 0 37 W VS ODU
21 George, Nick........ f 7-13 2-4 0-2 1 1 2 1 16 3 0 0 0 24 W AT JMU
21 George, Nick........ f 6-14 2-6 5-6 1 5 6 2 19 2 5 1 2 32 L AT HOFSTRA
21 George, Nick........ f 4-11 0-3 4-4 4 4 8 2 12 5 2 0 1 27 W VS TOWSON
21 George, Nick........ f 3-10 1-2 3-6 1 6 7 0 10 1 3 1 0 32 W AT DREXEL
21 George, Nick........ f 7-13 1-2 4-6 2 5 7 3 19 3 7 0 0 37 L AT ODU
21 George, Nick........ f 11-18 3-5 4-8 2 4 6 2 29 3 3 1 2 36 W VS MASON
21 George, Nick........ f 11-15 4-5 7-9 2 1 3 3 33 1 2 0 0 35 W VS DELAWARE
21 George, Nick........ f 15-21 4-7 2-3 2 1 3 1 36 3 1 0 0 29 W VS W&M
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21 GEORGE, NICK (TOT). 115-233 29-75 63-95 40 70 110 32 322 40 48 8 17 560 (12-5 CAA)
21 GEORGE, NICK (AVG). 49.4% 38.7% 66.3% 6.5 RPG 18.9 PPG

NICK GEORGE - CAA PLAYER OF THE YEAR CANDIDATE
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18.9 PPG
49.4% SHOOTING
38.7% PERIMETER SHOOTING
6.5 RPG
2.4 OFFENSIVE RPG
2.4 ASSISTS/GAME (2.8 T/O)
1.0 STEAL/GAME
.5 BLOCK/GAME
32.9 MINUTES/GAME
2 DOUBLE-DOUBLES
6 20+ POINT GAMES


NICK GEORGE - BEST THREE CAA GAMES
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TOT-FG 3-PT REBOUNDS
## Player Name FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
21 George, Nick........ f 7-12 1-3 5-7 2 10 12 3 20 2 8 0 4 38 W AT MASON
21 George, Nick........ f 11-15 4-5 7-9 2 1 3 3 33 1 2 0 0 35 W VS DELAWARE
21 George, Nick........ f 15-21 4-7 2-3 2 1 3 1 36 3 1 0 0 29 W VS W&M


*Stokes, Lewis to be added at a later time.

[VCU4LIFE]

Last 3 Conference Games

GEORGE VCU 3-0
FG 3PT
15-21 4-7 3reb 36pts 3a 1to
11-15 4-5 3 33 1 2
11-18 3-5 6 29 3 3
37-54 11-17
68.5% 64.7% 32.7ppg


LOUGHTON ODU 1-2
FG 3PT
3-11 0-1 13reb 16 pts 2a 1to
8-12 0-2 10reb 18 pts 4a 1to
3-11 0-1 9reb 10pts 0a 1to
14-34 0-4
41.2% 10.7rpg 14.7ppg


NANA DEL 0-3
FG 3PT
4-11 2-9 17reb 14pts 0a 4to
3-9 0-3 6 reb 10pts 0a 6to
11-23 4-9 11reb 30pts 0a 1to
18-43 6-21
41.8% 28.6% 11.3rpg 18.0ppg


STOKES HOF 3-0
FG 3PT
6-12 0-1 8reb 18pts 4a 1to
8-17 1-1 4reb 19pts 2a 4to
5-10 0-1 2reb 16pts 4a 2to
19-39 1-3
48.7% 33.3% 4.7rpg 17.7ppg

[DUHANK]

i don't even like loughton but you can't overlook his importance to his team success this year, give it to nana if you are a fan of stat padders, everybody else is first team material

[masonborohawk]

While I will vote for Loughton, only an idiot leaves John Goldsberry of the first team all CAA team in my very biased opinion.

My Loughton vote is because his team finished first. Did he have support? Absolutely. However, you cant be the POY from a team in the bottom tier of the conference.

From a consulation standpoint, if I were a coach heading into a big game and could only pick one of these five, I take Nana in a heartbeat. Saw him play again last night. Friggin good and actually seems to enjoy rebounding.

[Rewthless]

Goldsberry will not make the first team. Maybe not even the second team.

You put him in a class with Nana, George, Stokes and Loughton?

And RR is an idiot?

[Mr. Jablomi]

Loughton, period.

[Sunshine]

Ram Reaper,

Defensive Player of the Year - John Goldsberry

Do you remember the job he did on your POY Nick George when they played at TRask? Held him scoreless in the 2nd half. Held Goss to 5 points, etc Any team in the league would want this kid running the show!!!

Should be a first team ALL CAA player. Every coach would pick him.. let's hope the Media doesn't screw him over!

Rewthless, You have 3 all league calibre players and you LOSE to UNCW... that is sad! Why because of guys like Goldsberry!

[gonzo]

Stat padders? What do you expect when the guy is really the only option on the team. Should he stop shooting? For the record, Nana has attempted 1.5 more shots a game than George.

Where would UD be w/o Nana, ODU w/o Alex or VCU w/o George?

[VRam]

Nick's lead is almost as big as Heywood's in the CAA Survivor Poll. :lol: Sorry Heywood, I couldn't resist.

[TJ Reaper]

I hear you about Goldsberry; great player (just finished going off about him), but look at the potential first team: solid.

The chance for Goldsberry (or any other) to make the first team: a tie at the 5th spot. Jai Lewis could barely make the 1st team...I think he is the 5th best on that list. Someone, perhaps Goldsberry, could tie with him (like Phil Goss did last year), and get on the team.

As for POY, I like Nana, but I don't like Delaware's lack of versatility. You're talking about a team who's offense runs through one player. George, Loughton, Stokes would all average 25 ppg if every play ran through them.

SHOTS ATTEMPTED:

238 - NANA
233 - GEORGE
205 - LOUGHTON

SHOTS MADE:

115 - GEORGE
105 - NANA
103 - LOUGHTON

*To solidify my statement, look at the total # of shots/game for that team

TEAM FIELD GOALS MADE-ATTEMPTED

404-928 - DELAWARE (Nana attempted 25.8% of UD's shots; made 26%)
444-941 - VCU (George attempted 24.7% of VCU shots; made 26%)
415-978 - ODU (Loughton attempted 20.9% of ODU's shots; made 24.8%)

Wow! Loughton has scored around 25% of ODU's points even though he only attempts around 20%.......he's very important to that ball club.

Nana and George are similar. The difference: VCU is 12-5; UD is 7-10. UD's other 74% of shots attempted are just not falling. VCU's other 75% of shots attempted are. That's the difference.......

Wow...........I can't wait until I do Hofstra's and Masons......I will do some type of complete team analysis pre-tournament. That will be very helpful.

[JoeyBagODonuts]

Anyone else notice that there's not a senior in the bunch?
Should make for an even more exciting 05-06!

[TJ Reaper]

Especially with the addition of Jose Juan Barrea from Northeastern...he's only a sophomore currently and will definitely make a run at the 1st team next year.

[HammerHawk]

The kid is a junior and will be a senior next year. He is a great player but takes lots of shot to get his points.

[VRam]

Reaper,

With the exception of AL, your nominations look like the "All He Wouldn't Start for ODU Team." :lol:

[fro]

I have said in the past and will say it again, if there was one player I could take from the CAA on my team, it would be Nick George. I don't even have to think about it. That kid is a beast, and if he has another game like his last 3 on Saturday and can propel VCU to #2, he should be POY. Those recent numbers are sick.

[VRam]

Amen.

[Mr. Jablomi]

For a Loughton/George comparison (not that there IS any comparison), please go to the VCU boards, POY thread, to examine their CAA only stats.

[VRam]

We know. Alex had more assists on Wednesdays. :lol:

[Mr. Jablomi]

How about more rebounds, steals, blocks, better FG%, better FT%...yeah, Nick scored more, on more shots, in more minutes. Alex did EVERYTHING else better.
But hey, don't let the facts get in the way.

[VRam]

Come on. Nick has scored significantly more than Alex, their FG% is nearly identical, with Nick's much better from 3 point land. Alex is supposed to be a center, but Nick's been to the FT line much more. I know, Alex is POY hands down based upon his .9 blocks per game. :lol:

[Mr. Jablomi]

Spin, spin, spin, spin, spin. Nick George is not now, nor will he ever be, the CAA POY. I TOLD you ALEX LOUGHTON would win this award, before the first jump ball of the season. That's all you needed to know on the subject.
I can't wait to hear the whining next week, when it's official.

[bigblue1975]

Guys you hate to admit it, but this time Heywood is correct.

[ramathon74]

I took the 12 categories (scoring, rebounding, FG%, FT%, 3 PT FG%, assits, steals, blocks, O and D- rebounding, # 3 PTers made and assist/TO ration) in the CAA conference for individual play and assigned 15 points for 1st, 14 for 2nd, etc for each of the 12 stats.

Loughton 81 points in 8 categories came out first, followed by:

Nana 73/9
Goldsberry 69/6 (surprising since not top 15 in scoring or rebounding, but hustle stats and 3 pt FG/FTshooting % kicks him up)
Stokes 68/7
George 61/7

Next five are:
Lewis and Cofield with 60 each, 7 cats for Lewis, 6 for Cofield
Hamm 56/5
Butler 54/5
Doles 42/6

Slats was close with 40/in just 3 categories

Skinn scored in 6 categories, but only 30 points total, Barbosa had 34 points in 4 cats.

Brooks was the biggest disappointment with 2 total points for 14th in rebounding, but didn't even make top 15 in the O or D rebounding categories. Didn't do for everyone so don't ask about anyone else. :wink:

Doesn't prove anything as some of the categories probably should be weighted and other factors should go into the consideration such as leadership, team standing, sportsmanship/attitude as far as I am concerned.

[BubbaDawg]

thanks ramathon. it is posts like yours that make the zone worthwhile. You researched, applied an algorithm, and presented the results understandably. Well done.

[Mr. Jablomi]

Wow, what a shocker, the best player on the best team leads this by a wide margin.

[PrideSuperfan]

While this is turning into another Virginia school debate on POY, I will give my reasons on why Loren Stokes is your CAA POY...and yes I know I'm biased, but so is everyone else in this thing

In overall games Stokes Ranks 1st in Scoring (18.5), 9th in Rebounding (6.1 per game), 6th in Assists (3.3 per game), 3rd in Steals (1.7 per game), 11th in FG% (50%)

In just conference games Stokes 2nd in Points (18.1 per game) 11th in Rebounds (5.8 per game), T-7th in Defensive Rebounds (4.12 per game), 6th in Assists (3.35 per game, 3rd in Steals (1.65 per game), 7th in FG% (48.8%) and 8th in AST/TO Ratio at 1.1

He is one of only 4 players in the country to rank in the top 10 in his conference in points, rebounds, assists, and steals. He has become a playmaker that has made everyone around him better, his penetration skills might be the best in the league and he can beat you in so many different ways. He has been named POW FOUR times, Nana has 2, George just got his second this week, no one else has more than 1. He has more than ODU. He has led a team that was down after the loss of Adeleke and put it on his back and had a team picked preseason 7th into 4th with a shot at 3rd in the conference, along with putting the team in position to make the NIT. He got beat for Rookie of the Year last year, lets not make the same mistake again for Player of the Year this year. Not saying its all him, cause Agudio is clearly the Rookie of the Year. But Stokes has taken this team to a great level. Let the debate continue...

[PrideSuperfan]

OK I was researching that while the post ranking all candidates on stats was put up...I still stick by Stokes

[Mr. Jablomi]

POY: Loughton
COY: Taylor
ROY: Agudio

All three are locks. It's over. Move along, nothing to see here.

[TJ Reaper]

For a Loughton/George comparison (not that there IS any comparison), please go to the VCU boards, POY thread, to examine their CAA only stats.

Umm, so I guess no stats were provided by me :roll: Gosh, why do I even try!

[ramathon74]

Everyone remember, there is still one more game before votes are even taken, so this all and probably will change some.

[getmhawks]

Write In:

John Goldsberry, UNCW :)

He's my pick but I'd imagine the incredible Loughton will get the award. Unless ODU loses to JMU, which is not impossible.

[jumpinmullet]

Best player in Trask this year was Nana hands down,then Alex and Nick George.

[Budman]

ODU's coach Taylor stated in the Newport News Press ,"If Hofstras Loren Stokes isn't the CAA's best player, he is arguably the most Valuable."

[bigblue1975]

I think Loughton will win but Stokes does it all for Hofstra.

[Sunshine]

Here is my list in order!
Not saying it will turn out this way! Just from what games I attended this year or saw on TV, internet, etc
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FIRST TEAM
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DEL - JR F - HARDING NANA Player of the Year
HOF - SO G - LOREN STOKES
VCU - JR F - NICK GEORGE
ODU - JR F - ALEX LOUGHTON
UNCW - JR G - JOHN GOLDSBERRY
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SECOND TEAM
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ODU - JR G - ISAIAH HUNTER
VCU - SR F - MICHAEL DOLES
GMU - JR F - JAI LEWIS
GMU - JR G - LAMAR BUTLER
DREX - SR G - PHIL GOSS
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THIRD TEAM
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ODU - SO F - ARNAUD DAHI
GMU - JR G - TONY SKINN
TOW - JR F - LAWRENCE HAMM
JMU - SO G - RAY BARBOSA
W&M - SO F - COREY COFIELD (Tied with Slatts)
DEL - SR G - MIKE SLATTERY

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ALL DEFENSIVE
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UNCW - JR G - JOHN GOLDSBERRY - Def. Player of the Year (Leads in Steals!)
DREX - SO F - CHAZ CRAWFORD
ODU - JR F - ALEX LOUGHTON
DEL - JR F - HARDING NANA
VCU - SO G - JESSE PELLOT-ROSA

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COACH OF YEAR: BROWNELL, IF UNCW BEATS VCU AND TAYLOR IF UNCW LOSES AT VCU (ASSUMING ODU BEATS UMU) SHOULD BE VERY CLOSE VOTING!
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HOF - FR G - ANTOINE AGUDIO - ROOKIE OF YEAR
ODU - FR G - BRANDON JOHNSON
W&M - FR F - LAIMIS KISIELIUS
GMU - FR G - JOHN VAUGHN
GMU - FR F - WILL THOMAS

[masonfan]

I agree with your list, but Jai or Lamar will make first team, in place of Stokes, or at least I would like to see that. :wink:

[Halftime Hero]

I think Stokes, Loughton, Nana & George are pretty much locks for 1st team - and keep in mind there are 5 first-teamers PLUS the POY so that leaves 2 more spots. Stokes can't be held off the first team, just leading the league in scoring is enough to warrant that, but he has done a lot more too.

The last 2 spots on the 1st team are pretty open, lots of candidates...

Hunter
Dahi
Goss
Goldsberry
Lewis
Skinn
Butler
Doles

I wouldn't have a problem with any 2 of those guys making the 1st team though its certainly easy to argue for or against any of them.

[VCU4LIFE]

HH, Nick George leads the league in scoring. :wink:

[VCU4LIFE]

To be ranked, a player must appear in at least 75.0% of their team's games.

SCORING
## Player-Team Cl G FG 3FG FT Pts Avg/G
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1.George, Nick-VCU......... 17 115 29 63 322 18.9
2.Stokes, Loren-HOFSTRA.... 17 101 9 96 307 18.1
3.Nana, Harding-DELAWARE... 17 105 35 61 306 18.0
4.Skinn, Tony-MASON........ 16 87 29 65 268 16.8
5.Doles, Michael-VCU....... 17 101 25 51 278 16.4
6.Barbosa, Ray-JMU......... 17 95 38 43 271 15.9
7.Butler, Lamar-MASON...... 17 87 54 39 267 15.7
8.Loughton, Alex-ODU....... 17 103 4 51 261 15.4
9.Cofield, Corey-W&M....... 17 79 0 93 251 14.8
10.Agudio, Antoine-HOFSTRA.. 17 87 45 27 246 14.5
11.Goss, Phil-DREXEL........ 16 75 45 29 224 14.0
12.Lewis, Jai-MASON......... 17 87 2 53 229 13.5
13.Hamm, Lawrence-TOWSON.... 16 81 12 40 214 13.4
14.Hunter, Isaiah-ODU....... 16 71 31 39 212 13.2
Green, Mike-TOWSON....... 16 73 24 42 212 13.2
16.Washington, Andrew-DELAWA 17 74 13 57 218 12.8
17.Walker, B.A.-VCU......... 17 75 28 38 216 12.7
18.Goldsberry, John-UNCW.... 17 66 35 40 207 12.2
19.Brooks, Sean-DREXEL...... 14 53 0 60 166 11.9
20.Johnson, Cavell-JMU...... 17 79 3 26 187 11.0

[Halftime Hero]

Stokes leads the league is scoring OVERALL - I don't see any reason to distinguish between in-conference and OOC stats...


SCORING
## Player-Team Cl G FG 3FG FT Pts Avg/G
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1.Stokes, Loren-HOFSTRA.... 26 171 14 124 480 18.5
2.Nana, Harding-DELAWARE... 28 179 50 107 515 18.4
3.George, Nick-VCU......... 27 161 44 99 465 17.2
4.Butler, Lamar-MASON...... 27 143 86 61 433 16.0
5.Barbosa, Ray-JMU......... 26 138 61 62 399 15.3
6.Skinn, Tony-MASON........ 25 117 39 106 379 15.2
7.Doles, Michael-VCU....... 25 131 36 72 370 14.8
8.Agudio, Antoine-HOFSTRA.. 26 133 70 46 382 14.7
9.Goss, Phil-DREXEL........ 25 121 73 47 362 14.5
10.Loughton, Alex-ODU....... 29 153 8 77 391 13.5
11.Lewis, Jai-MASON......... 27 140 2 82 364 13.5
12.Cofield, Corey-W&M....... 26 110 0 127 347 13.3
13.Hunter, Isaiah-ODU....... 27 123 46 63 355 13.1
14.Hamm, Lawrence-TOWSON.... 26 120 22 63 325 12.5
15.Washington, Andrew-DELAWA 28 121 18 89 349 12.5
16.Walker, B.A.-VCU......... 27 118 45 55 336 12.4
17.Green, Mike-TOWSON....... 26 107 38 68 320 12.3
18.Goldsberry, John-UNCW.... 24 93 54 53 293 12.2
19.Johnson, Cavell-JMU...... 26 133 5 33 304 11.7
20.Dahi, Arnaud-ODU......... 29 126 20 51 323 11.1

[ramathon74]

I don't see any reason to distinguish between in-conference and OOC stats...


Then you didn't look very hard!

[Sunshine]

Mason Fan,

I agree they are that cailibre, but it is difficult to accept putting 3 ALL CAA players on the list (including a first teamer) when they are headed to 6th place. This must be by far the most undereachieving team in the conference! I know they could come through in tournament. I expect them to beat UNCW in the first round!

HH, I wondered why there were 6 last year! I thought there might have been a tie! I would go with Doles

VCU is my pick to win the tournament!!!!

[Halftime Hero]

I don't see any reason to distinguish between in-conference and OOC stats...


Then you didn't look very hard!

Explain...

[masonfan]

Nobody expected great things from Mason this year. The most undereachieving team has to be DU, they were picked to finish first. That or HU with there great start.

[Sunshine]

He took the 12 categories (scoring, rebounding, FG%, FT%, 3 PT FG%, assits, steals, blocks, O and D- rebounding, # 3 PTers made and assist/TO ration) in the CAA conference for individual play and assigned 15 points for 1st, 14 for 2nd, etc for each of the 12 stats.

Loughton 81 points in 8 categories came out first, followed by:

Nana 73/9
Goldsberry 69/6 (surprising since not top 15 in scoring or rebounding, but hustle stats and 3 pt FG/FTshooting % kicks him up)
Stokes 68/7
George 61/7

Next five are:
Lewis and Cofield with 60 each, 7 cats for Lewis, 6 for Cofield
Hamm 56/5
Butler 54/5
Doles 42/6

Slats was close with 40/in just 3 categories

Skinn scored in 6 categories, but only 30 points total, Barbosa had 34 points in 4 cats.

Brooks was the biggest disappointment with 2 total points for 14th in rebounding, but didn't even make top 15 in the O or D rebounding categories. Didn't do for everyone so don't ask about anyone else.





Very insightful!!

[Halftime Hero]

No arguement here that DU has been the most disappointing, even though 5 of our 6 losses so far were by 1 basket they're still 5 notches in the L column.

As for Brooks, I think his injury has kept him off some lists, for instance according to Drexel's website he is 53-100 from the field in conference play, 53% for those math majors out there, that would rank him 2nd in CAA-only stats and his 67-127 overall ranks him 1st in the conference. That's 14 or 15 more "points" on those rankings. Still not great though.

[fro]

If Mason loses to Hofstra and finishes 6th, then I guess they'd be considered a pretty big disappointment (despite the fact that their returning players totalled only 87 starts amongst them before the season), but if they win they'll finish 5th, one place lower than they were picked to finish. How is that the biggest disappointment?

And I know this will piss off a whole lot of UNCW people, so I'm sorry because I know you're all great fans, but I think JG is a thug. I've seen him take more cheap shots at Mason players than anyone else in the years I've watched Mason basketball. No way he makes first team in my opinion.

[VCU4LIFE]

HH, the conference awards and teams are decided based on their CAA performance, not overall performance. I'm not sure that I agree with the logic behind this or not, but there is a good argument for doing it that way in that it makes sure there is a level playing field for the players and teams to compete on. OOC schedules vary (VCU played a particularly difficult OOC schedule while ODU played a bunch of cupcakes :P ) and it is theoretically easier for a player to perform better against Savannah St. and Longwood and even while losing to Texas A&M Community College than it is against Wake Forest, UAB, and Mississippi. :wink:

[gmutom]

People can make fun of Jai Lewis' weight all they want, but this league is a complete joke if he is not on the first team. His stats might not jump out like some other players, but that's because he faces double- and triple- teams almost every time down the court.

Bottom line -- no ifs, ands or buts: Jai Lewis alters how coaches gameplan against Mason. He is without question one of the top five players in the CAA. Period. End of discussion.

[Mr. Jablomi]

VCU4Life, don't forget the powers like American, Hampton, Lasalle and Iona that VCU played. Impressive.

[masonfan]

American did beat Vermont.

[VRam]

Please, they're still better than the teams ODU played. Shawnee State, ETSU, ECU, Longwood, VMI, etc. You guys played a team that had almost 20 losses by the beginning of January. :lol:

[PrideSuperfan]

Nobody expected great things from Mason this year. The most undereachieving team has to be DU, they were picked to finish first. That or HU with there great start.

Hofstra was picked to finish 7th, we were thrown to teh dogs after the Adeleke dismissal...they player that picked us up was Stokes, that's why he deserves POY, no one had us sniffing 3rd in this league, but with a VCU loss and win for us Sat. we have the tie-break to take it.

[Halftime Hero]

no one had us sniffing 3rd in this league, but with a VCU loss and win for us Sat. we have the tie-break to take it.

Not if we win-out.

[VCU4LIFE]

Jablowme, what's ODU's SOS? What's VCU's SOS? Hmm, impressive. :wink:

[PrideSuperfan]

True...forgot Drexel had a game in hand...at that point a 3-way tie would drop us to 5th...DU 3-1 vs. other 2, VCU 2-2, HU 1-3

[Ramdog]

"VCU4Life, don't forget the powers like American, Hampton, Lasalle and Iona that VCU played. Impressive"

ODU should schedule them. It would help their SOS.

[Sunshine]

My thoughts on why Mason has under achieved has nothing to do with where they were picked at the beginning of the season. It has more to do with the thought that they have 3 All-CAA calibre players and the best they can do is 6th. They could surprise!

i know what you are talking about with goldsberry. I was at the Mason-UNCW game last year and he was a handful. I have seen him play a few times and never saw him act like he did that one night at Mason! I don;t think he usually goes beyond like he did that night. Frustration got the best of him that night!


Kind of how Slattery did against Blizzard that one night. I think Slatts is just a gamer kind of like Goldsberry! Love to watch both of them play!

[gobo]

HH, the conference awards and teams are decided based on their CAA performance, not overall performance.

Says who? I've voted for the All-CAA team the past few years and I've never seen anything that says "consider a players performance against conference teams only".

Now, saying that, I take the CAA numbers into account for about 80% of my voting. If a guy tore up the OOC schedule, but was just average in the CAA, it will hurt him. If he tore up the CAA, but was just average in OOC, then he's in good shape for my vote. But a guy who is as constant in both will get my vote over either of them.

gobo

[TJ Reaper]

Gobo's right, there is nothing that says "vote based on only conference statistics," but since this is ALL-CAA, it's sort of logical that CAA statistics will be favored (overall stats will still be provided).

And last year, there were 6 1st teamers because the there was a tie between for 5th best player in conference (voting/points wise). Jai Lewis and Phil Goss both tied for points, making the 1st team. As a matter of fact, last season was the first time that 6 players made All-CAA First Team.

I truely believe that Stokes, Loughton, George, and Nana are first team locks. I think Jai Lewis will get that 5th spot; I still have some analyzing to do. I don't see Phil Goss being a 1st teamer this year......Drexel was picked to finish 2nd; close to 1st (1st by some). They may finish as low as 6th. Goss had a target on his back all year and even though he has still gotten shots off, he has not had a 1st teamer year in confernece, IMO.....is 1st team caliber.

[Sunshine]

I agree, the 4 top players are locks! If ODU wins today and UNCW loses, the Lewis is 5th and Taylor is COY. If UNCW beats VCU today, I think Goldsberry makes 1st team and Brownell is coach of year! If ODU loses today and UNCW wins, Brownell is a lock for COY!

When is the voting done for ALL CAA (Tuesday?)

Who is DPOY?? In your opinion? No one stands out like Mason did last year. He led the league in steals last year, so I just thought they would go with the steal leader from this year!

Sunshine

[stuball888]

Who leads the league in blocks? That person should gave some votes.

[gmutom]

I agree, the 4 top players are locks! If ODU wins today and UNCW loses, the Lewis is 5th and Taylor is COY. If UNCW beats VCU today, I think Goldsberry makes 1st team and Brownell is coach of year!

I find it laughable you think Goldsberry deserves first team over Jai Lewis. How many teams scout UNCW and say, "Boy, we really have to stop Goldsberry tonight if we stand a chance?" None. Absolutely nobody.

Now ask the same question about Jai Lewis, and the answer is everybody. Every single game plan is about stopping Jai in the post. Period.

I agree that Goldberry is a scrappy player who does makes his team better. But the CAA is a complete joke if he is ever considered one of its top five players.

[PrideSuperfan]

Get Jai off the First team and any POY discussion...he was just pitiful today against Hofstra...3 points, 3 boards on 1-7 shooting in 22 minutes...he was sluggish...I was wondering why he was even on this thing

[myorangecrush]

If you go on stats alone Nana is POY, but if you go on the hardest person to match up against and team leader with better than good stats.... Laughton is POY by a mile. I bet the coaches vote will reflect this.



Get Jai off the First team and any POY discussion...he was just pitiful today against Hofstra...3 points, 3 boards on 1-7 shooting in 22 minutes...he was sluggish...I was wondering why he was even on this thing
hey now....weebles wobble but they don't fall down.


Everyone remember, there is still one more game before votes are even taken, so this all and probably will change some.

Not looking good for those numbers:

N.C. Wilmington 55
VCU 39
6:28 2nd

[gmutom]

Get Jai off the First team and any POY discussion...he was just pitiful today against Hofstra...3 points, 3 boards on 1-7 shooting in 22 minutes...he was sluggish...I was wondering why he was even on this thing

Are you really that ignorant? So what if Jai had one bad game. It showed he's human. He's been consistent all year before today, including in our OOC games. An since you probably have trouble reading, I'll be happy to relay the fact that nobody from Mason has ever lobbied for Jai to be player of the year.

Enjoy your lopsided win today. And when you get your head out of your ass from over-celebrating this meaningless victory, I'll be happy to have a logical discussion with you on this subject.

[PrideSuperfan]

I never said anything about Mason lobbying for him, but I hadn't seen him play up until this game and was expecting something big out of a guy apparently good enough to be in POY discussion and 1st team at the start of this thread and I saw absolutely nothing from him...the kid had a bad day, but I'd put Goldsberry in over him

[Budman]

GMUTOM it is laughable any would put Jai Lewis on first team CAA. Not only did Lewis only score 3 Points and have only 3 rebounds,Hofstras 2 centers had 20 points and 17 rebounds.The players you have to stop when playing GMU is not Lewis but Skinn and Butler . When they are hitting 3'S GMG is tough to beat.Goldberry is the only one on UNCW you have to stop.Stokes is the best player in the CAA. He does it all no one has stoped him all year.

[TJ Reaper]

Nick George won't win Player of the Year...he needed to have a huge game tonight for any consideration, but UNCW really focused on defending him. Mitch Laue was WONDERFUL tonight. In saying that, George is definitely a first teamer. Loughton should win POY. Blaine, tonight, started Loughton-Val-Hunter-Johnson-Williamson. Probably to give their 6th and 7th men an honor (don't know). Dahi, IMO, won't make the 2nd team.....could sneek onto the 3rd team; he just hasn't had the games down the stretch....still All-CAA caliber.

You know, I am impressed with Chaz Crawford's defense. He may just be my DPOY. That would make THREE STRAIGHT defensive player of the year awardees from Drexel University (Battle 2003, Mason 2004, Crawford 2005). I think it could happen.

John Goldsberry is definitely 1st Team All-CAA caliber. I think he deserves to be on there, but I have to re-look at my analysis. He's sort of like Loughton (for POY); not much statistically, but if you have seen him play, you KNOW he leads that team. UNCW, a team picked to finish 6th/7th, finished tied for 2nd. Goldsberry deserves a look.

Halston Lane is a PLAYER. Gosh, if only he were 100% healthy at UNCW. He looked very good out there tonight and will be hard to stop in the tournament.

All-CAA is not as clear cut/dry as I thought. I have a lot of readjusting to do. But, as of now, I think Loughton is my Player of the Year. The man means too much to that team.

[DUHANK]

You know, I am impressed with Chaz Crawford's defense. He may just be my DPOY. That would make THREE STRAIGHT defensive player of the year awardees from Drexel University (Battle 2003, Mason 2004, Crawford 2005). I think it could happen.



im glad somebody was watching the second half of the UD/DU game, playing nana for most of the second half, nana had 4 points and 2 rebounds, this is "all-world nana" being held below his average in almost every category

[gmutom]

I never said anything about Mason lobbying for him, but I hadn't seen him play up until this game and was expecting something big out of a guy apparently good enough to be in POY discussion and 1st team at the start of this thread and I saw absolutely nothing from him...the kid had a bad day, but I'd put Goldsberry in over him

To judge Jai from one game is ridiculous, Superfan. Granted, he had an absolutely terrible game against you yesterday. I'm not disputing that at all. But how can you argue against Jai's stats?

Despite having two teammates who score more than him (Skinn and Butler) -- largely in part to the constant double teams on him -- Jai still is 15th in the CAA in scoring. He is also 5th in rebounding and 4th in field-goal percentage.

As for your two centers having a good game yesterday, Jai only stands 6-5 so he is almost always facing opponents who are taller than him. He is obviously better equipped to defend another bruiser like Brooks from Drexel than taller and quicker players like your centers.

I tip my hat to Hofstra's players for the beating they put on us yesterday and for the way they defended Jai. But that should in no way discount the fact that he is one of the top five players in this conference. I hope the coaches around the league see it the same way.

[DEdave]

DUHANK- Please tell me who was doing the holding? The choice was made to run Nana from the elbow and it didn't pan out. Put him back on the block and he gets his usual numbers. Who was stopping A. Washington?

Nana is by far, I said by far, the best. BUT, Loughton will get it for being second best and the fact that the league will want a POY on the team most likely to make a go at it in the NCAA's. The realities of the world my friends.

[Mr. Jablomi]

A simple question. IF Nana is "by far" the best, and Slattery is also the league's best PG (as you've stated), how is it that UD has found itself playing next Friday night?
It makes no sense. I don't care if you are playing without a coach, if you have the league's top player, PLUS an All CAA PG, you don't end up in the play in game.
There are plenty of guys that would put up Nana's numbers, in his situation. He's a good player, but not the league's best.

[DEdave]

Then how come nobody on the other Friday night teams is anywhere close to him? Hey, I posted that solely to get a rise out of you and you responded. It's like fishing in a barrel. :lol:

Look, Nana in my opinion has been used wrong. They have stuck him on the elbow and wing and tried to get Madera to use his big body on the block. Madera to me is a complete failure and a big part of why this team is losing. But don't think for one moment that Nana doesn't have the talent to put up good numbers against anyone. Your one look at him on one particular night doesn't qualify.

Lougton will win POY for the reasons I stated. Second best ain't all that bad. Be happy.

Oh, and Slattery is by far the best PG too. Third highest assist total EVER in the CAA should tell you that. Gee, without all these injuries and a tad of inspiration from a better coach you're right, they should not be playing Friday night. Oh well.

[Halftime Hero]

You know, I am impressed with Chaz Crawford's defense. He may just be my DPOY. That would make THREE STRAIGHT defensive player of the year awardees from Drexel University (Battle 2003, Mason 2004, Crawford 2005). I think it could happen.

Actually I'm pretty sure Battle won DPOY two years in a row so that'd be Battle in 02 & 03, Mason in 04 and now possibly Crawford in 05.

Also I'd like to nominate Andrew Washington for first-team All-Thug... everytime he came by us on the sidelines I had to make sure I still had my wallet. Amazing in a game with 90 fouls the biggest punk on the court only had 3.

[MetSox]

[quote="Ram Reaper":8e13c]You know, I am impressed with Chaz Crawford's defense. He may just be my DPOY. That would make THREE STRAIGHT defensive player of the year awardees from Drexel University (Battle 2003, Mason 2004, Crawford 2005). I think it could happen.

Actually I'm pretty sure Battle won DPOY two years in a row so that'd be Battle in 02 & 03, Mason in 04 and now possibly Crawford in 05.

Also I'd like to nominate Andrew Washington for first-team All-Thug... everytime he came by us on the sidelines I had to make sure I still had my wallet. Amazing in a game with 90 fouls the biggest punk on the court only had 3.[/quote:8e13c]

Yea, Im hopin Chaz picks up the DPOY award just so we can keep the streak of having the DPOY for the CAA every single year Bru has coached at DU. Coincidence between that and being in the top 4 every year that Bru has been here?

Actually, the bit on A Washington should probably be a new thread, but I def. agree HH. I didnt notice that much at UD, maybe he fed off the Dac crowd a bit but man was he a thug.

I was gonna put together an all thug team, but then I realized theres only 3 that really annoy me that much (that I can think of off the top of my head, feel free to contribute)

A. Washington
Val Vasylius
I. Hunter

Gibson almost made the list, but sometimes he just seems really calm and groovy...

[Halftime Hero]

I'll give Hawley Smith a nod for the All-Thug team, but when you're as talent-less as he is you gotta cheat. Then again he did start at Temple, no doubt he was one of Chaney's "goons".

[themaskedavenger]

You can't have an "all thug team" without John Goldsberry.... :o

[Coach]

Mitch Laue was WONDERFUL tonight.


Toni, you're starting to scare me. You sound like Eric Clapton. :?

[DEdave]

[quote="Ram Reaper":f7254]You know, I am impressed with Chaz Crawford's defense. He may just be my DPOY. That would make THREE STRAIGHT defensive player of the year awardees from Drexel University (Battle 2003, Mason 2004, Crawford 2005). I think it could happen.

Actually I'm pretty sure Battle won DPOY two years in a row so that'd be Battle in 02 & 03, Mason in 04 and now possibly Crawford in 05.

Also I'd like to nominate Andrew Washington for first-team All-Thug... everytime he came by us on the sidelines I had to make sure I still had my wallet. Amazing in a game with 90 fouls the biggest punk on the court only had 3.[/quote:f7254]
If you take a look at the tape of the game you'd actually see two different Drexel players trying to get under his skin all game. But you don't see any UD posters coming on here to call your players names. But heck, when a guy puts down 30-some points on your team I guess calling him a thug is your only defense.

[DarthDave]

[quote="Ram Reaper":22cbd]You know, I am impressed with Chaz Crawford's defense. He may just be my DPOY. That would make THREE STRAIGHT defensive player of the year awardees from Drexel University (Battle 2003, Mason 2004, Crawford 2005). I think it could happen.



Also I'd like to nominate Andrew Washington for first-team All-Thug... everytime he came by us on the sidelines I had to make sure I still had my wallet. Amazing in a game with 90 fouls the biggest punk on the court only had 3.[/quote:22cbd]

You can scribble Mason in right next to him.....he should take some lessons from Brooks on how to play with class.

[Halftime Hero]

I can see where you're coming from... Mason was definitely fired up. After he hit that 1st 3 ball he left his hand up until he had to guard Slatts and then he was talking to him the whole time. I'm sure Drexel's got its share of players the other fans don't care for. Still doesn't change how I feel about A-Wash though.

Now Nana on the other hand, I like that guy. He had a pretty modest game but only b/c Henderson is a damn fool. We did a good job on Nana in the 1st half but down the stretch no one was going to stop him.

[DarthDave]

HH,

A Wash is a physical player..and has a swagger..I watched the game, other than the trash talk with Mason, what makes you think he is a thug?

[xcoach]

---------------------------
FIRST TEAM
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ODU - JR F - ALEX LOUGHTON Player of Year
DEL - JR F - HARDING NANA
HOF - SO G - LOREN STOKES
VCU - JR F - NICK GEORGE
UNCW - JR G - JOHN GOLDSBERRY
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SECOND TEAM
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DREX - SR G - PHIL GOSS
VCU - SR F - MICHAEL DOLES
ODU - JR G - ISAIAH HUNTER
GMU - JR F - JAI LEWIS
ODU - SO F - ARNAUD DAHI


---------------------------
THIRD TEAM
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GMU - JR G - LAMAR BUTLER
DEL - SR G - MIKE SLATTERY
GMU - JR G - TONY SKINN
TOW - JR F - LAWRENCE HAMM
W&M - SO F - COREY COFIELD



---------------------------
ALL DEFENSIVE
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UNCW - JR G - JOHN GOLDSBERRY - Def. Player of the Year (Best Court Awareness, can guard forward and guard, top steals in league)
ODU - JR F - ALEX LOUGHTON (Very quick for big man, good balance and instincts)
DREX - SO F - CHAZ CRAWFORD (great shot blocker, does not get enough minutes)
VCU - SO G - JESSE PELLOT-ROSA (great overall knowledge of defensive principals can guard ALL positions!, great timing!)
DREX - SO G - BASHIR MASON (best on the ball defender, not as intense this year, but still very deserving)

All Thug Team (Trash and tough)

Hunter
A Washington
Goldsberry
Mason
Slattery

*Funny how all these guys are guards, must have something to do with height! If all 5 played on the SAME team, they would be a tough out in the tournament! They ALL bring it on game day!

Rookie of year is obvious, not near as many young players coming through this year, could be because so many young teams this year, very few seniors!
I know some of my picks are probably off, maybe that is why they call me XCOACH! I do feel I have a good feel for the game at age 75

Thanks for looking. Let me know how I did!

COACH OF YEAR - TAYLOR - ODU

[VRam]

xcoach must be Heywood. No one else would put Dahi Second Team. :lol: Loughton POY and Taylor COY? Coincidence? I think not. :lol:

[xcoach]

Hey, I actually gave the DPOY to someone else and no I am not Heywood, but I have met him!!!!!!!!!!

I realize Dahi fell off a little, I am basing it on the entire season not just the last part.

I thought George was non-existant vs UNCW!!!! He lost the POY in that game!

League winners get the most awards. But the conference tournament is where it matters. Should be the best tournament in years! I really believe anyone 1-6 could get to the big dance!

[Halftime Hero]

HH,

A Wash is a physical player..and has a swagger..I watched the game, other than the trash talk with Mason, what makes you think he is a thug?

You got two of them... physical play, swagger (not saying he's not a good player)...

Holding jerseys, flipping off fans, running his mouth to fans, crying to the refs after EVERY call and his general "put your head down and hope you don't draw the offensive" style of basketball... oh and he just LOOKS like an *sshole.

That said, he's a good player, very athletic, and VERY strong. Don't know how good his jumper is but he was unstoppable in the paint, no matter who was guarding him. Doesn't mean I have to like him.

[RamKnowledge]

X........easy there old fella!

You and Heywood seem to have similar CAA knowledge and analytical capabilities (i.e. well, I'm too nice to say it).

Go check the numbers of Agudio, Butler, Skinn, Barbosa, B.A. Walker, Sean Brooks, Cory Cofield.

Then tell us all how they are all behind Hunter and Dahi or excluded altogether.

Take off the blue and silver glasses oldtimer............

I've seen 'em all play live (at least twice and in some cases, much more)..............your basis? boxscores?

Memo: Hunter isn't even third team material. Dahi is borderline third team.

1st - Nana, Loughton, Stokes, George, Goldsberry
2nd - Doles, Agudio, Lewis, Butler, Goss
3rd - Brooks, Cofield, Barbosa, Skinn, Dahi
4th - Walker, Hamm, Hunter, A. Washington, C. Johnson

[Mr. Jablomi]

RK, are you not the astute judge of talent who assured the DU fans that Dom Mejia was such a good defender, and scoffed when I stated that his defense was a liability, and that would keep him from being a star in the league? Well, I think it's safe to say that I have a better handle on that situation than you.
Were you not also the same evaluator that mocked me when I stated that Loughton was, and would continue to be, the best player in his class, while you stated JAI LEWIS, and Nick George were both better? Well, Al was POY runner up as a soph, and will win it as a junior. Jai has regressed, and Nick is about to make his FIRST All CAA team. Do you not think, perhaps, I had a better handle on THAT situation?
The list goes on and on, so I won't bore the other posters, but needless to say, your opinion of talent means very little, as other than hot air, your posts provide nothing. You don't even realize what you're watching, do you?

This brings me to my point. You state Alex does not deserve the POY award, that Dahi is not that good, that Hunter is not worthy of even third team All CAA. If that is the case, AND Taylor is a mediocre coach (as you've stated), how has the overrated band of no talent players/coaches run away with the CAA regular season title?
Well, let's just clean this up. How have they done it? Loughton is the league's best player, Hunter is the league's best guard NOT named Loren Stokes, and Dahi is the best pure PF in the league. All three will be named to the All CAA team in a few days (along with COY Taylor), and Loughton will be named POY. This will drive home, yet again, how erroneous your name is. "Knowledge"? Hardly. "Clueless" is more like it.

[VRam]

You said George sucked and was a terrible shooter. That's about as far off the mark as one can get. :lol:

What does "pure" PF mean? That he's not anywhere near as good as I thought he would be? If so, you're right on the mark. :lol:

[Mr. Jablomi]

Pure PF means he has a power game, at both ends of the floor. He bangs inside, blocks shots, etc.
Unlike Nick, who has apparently become the second coming of Lamar Butler, Dahi plays tough inside at BOTH ends of the floor.
As for him not being that good, he's ALL CAA as a soph. I was looking at last year's All CAA team, and I can't seem to find Nick George anywhere. Why is that?
All I know is, the last time I saw them on the floor together, Dahi was embarrassing Nick. Can someone post the picture, in case these fools have forgotten what a defenseless, flailing George looks like, as Dahi is dunking on his head?

[ramathon74]

Dahi plays tough inside at BOTH ends of the floor.

He spends as much time playing both ends of the bench as he does on the court.

These discussions are about full-time players, not part-timers. :lol:

[EverydayinVA]

Sorry, its tough when your team goes 10-12 deep as opposed to 8 deep. Must be nice for Doles and George to be getting 38 mins a game. i wonder what kind of numbers Alex, Arnaud, and Isaiah would be putting up in that ammount of time. :wink:

[RamKnowledge]

'Blo............for this one, I'll play "down" to your level........... :D :lol: :lol: You are easy fodder..............


This is from a previous post of mine..............but don't let the facts stand in the way of your "analysis." :P :P :D


Hunter shouldn't even be THIRD TEAM. Here is a list of guards having better seasons............Walker, Goss, Agudio, Goldsberry, Barbosa, Butler, Skinn, etc. I'm not even counting Stokes -- he's a given.

Hunter is shooting .392 from the field and .338 from three. Avg 13.1 ppg.
Goldsberry - .477, .446, 12.2
Butler - .463, .439, 16.0
Barbosa - .401, .365, 15.3
Walker - .432, .346, 12.4
Goss - .435, .399, 14.5
Agudio - .418, .429, 14.7
Skinn - .415, .358, 15.2
Hunter - .392, .338, 13.1

Hunter has the LOWEST shooting percentage and LOWEST 3-PT FG% of any of the guards mentioned above. Only Walker and Goldsberry average less points (and they are point guards).

And the Hunter numbers are against, arguably, the easiest schedule I've seen in 15 years.

He also had scoring threats (Loughton, Dahi, Vasylius) in the paint to keep defenses honest.


Other issues:
1) Quite frankly, Bruiser's misuse of Mejia is a big reason why Drexel is not a top 2 seed IMO.
2) ODU's "balance" (1 thru 6) is a big reason for their conference success. Doesn't necessarily translate to numerous all-conference selections..........particularly given the weak OOC schedule (regarding stats/overall record).
3) You - having a better handle than me on any CAA "situation"??? :lol: :lol:
4) Miscellaneous comment - this is too easy/boring. I need some "back and forth" with someone on this forum who actually "gets it." Nobody, myself included, takes you seriously. :lol: You're the proverbial loudmouth "know-it-all" uncle that keeps showing up at all the family functions (uninvited in most cases)..............people are making extra trips to the bathroom and the vegetable tray to avoid you. :P :D

[DUHANK]

Sorry, its tough when your team goes 10-12 deep as opposed to 8 deep. Must be nice for Doles and George to be getting 38 mins a game. i wonder what kind of numbers Alex, Arnaud, and Isaiah would be putting up in that ammount of time. :wink:

with 30+ mins a game IMO the odu efficiency would decline, there are very few players in the CAA who can be a force and play over 30 minutes a game

[ramathon74]

Sorry, its tough when your team goes 10-12 deep as opposed to 8 deep.

Who you counting? SPAM :lol: :lol:

Man, and with JUNKO coming back next year, Dahi might not have to play at all :wink:

[VRam]

How much would they get? Not much if you go by the 1/29/05 boxscore that Big Blue posted this morning. :lol:

You're crackin' me up Rammy . . . Dahi might not have to play at all . . . these discussions are about full time players, not part timers. :lol: :lol:

Not that past years matter, but wasn't Nick George ROY? So, Nick leads your two stiffs 1-0 in terms of career awards. :lol:

[DUHANK]

Other issues:
1) Quite frankly, Bruiser's misuse of Mejia is a big reason why Drexel is not a top 2 seed IMO.


if you saw dom in more than two games and knew bru's philosophy of DEFENSE FIRST, you would see what he is doing

flat out dom has holes on defense, if he scores 20 but gives up 15, that's not good

[gmutom]

Guys, try to cut Jablomi some slack. All year long he has been touting Hunter and Williamson as one of the best backcourts in the country; now he has to come to grips with the fact that they aren't even the best in the CAA. (I had to eat crow earlier in the year after Butler and Skinn laid an egg in Norfolk, but I'd still take Mason's and Drexel's backcourt over ODU's.)

The bottom line is ODU is only as good as Hunter and Williamson make them. We know that Loughton, Dahi and Val will show up almost every game, but this team will only go as far as their backcourt takes them. If Hunter and Williamson continue to shoot less than 40-percent, there will be a lot of unhappy Monarch fans in March.

[EverydayinVA]

I'm definitely counting SAM, he gets minutes and just like a few games before has had a serious impact on those games. Every player that plays is taking away from our starters minutes obviously. I love how you guys bash our big men "soft, spam, dahi tires easily" But I dont see anyone on your team better. And dont say Nick George. No one can argue that his true position is more SF than anything.

[VRam]

Unless you guys get in deep foul trouble, Sam will be pickin' splinters out of his butt Saturday (and maybe Sunday).

[EverydayinVA]

I know one thing Sam will see more court time than VCUs last couple of end guard tackles.

[Mr. Jablomi]

RK, I have seen a ton of posts which say, "Jablomi is a jerk, this or that, but he knows his stuff..." I'm yet to see ONE post that states you are "knowledgable" in anything. You're an idiot.
As for Mejia, I have actually played pick up ball with the guy, and knew back when NC State signed him that he was not an ACC player, and knew after watching him trying to defend vs ODU that he simply can't defend well enough to warrant big minutes, especially for a coach like Bruiser.
This brings me to my next topic. Bruiser Flint has won a few COYs while at DU, yet YOU question his use of Mejia. Your ego knows no bounds. YOU feel the "misuse" of Mejia is one of the biggest reasons for DU's struggles, as if YOU know MORE than Bruiser. Hilarious. I told you, and the DU guys, from Day One that Mejia can't defend at this level, Bruiser agrees with me, yet you post this stuff. Unreal. Why don't you call Flint, and clue him in. I'm sure he'd love to hear from you! LOL! :lol:

As for the VCU fans' lame attempts at taking shots at ODU, it's pretty transparent. ODU is, far and away, the top team in this league. There was absolutely NO suspense for the conference race, yet you feel the need to take shots at US?!? Wake the F up. ODU bitch slapped you last time around, and will do so again next week, if you survive UNCW.

Just start to get your weak excuses in order now, 'cause you'll need them.

[VRam]

You're a real pisser. :lol: Too much. :lol:

[BradMan]

I know one thing Sam will see more court time than VCUs last couple of end guard tackles.

Huh? e don't have a football team dude.

All our guards play.....as well as all our forwards.....and centers. So I don't know what you are talking about. hell JMU was scoring over Spam in your last game!

[EverydayinVA]

Sorry, I was refering to the position that Julian Capel has a lock on, sittin at the end of the bench, guarding the water, and tackling anyone that tries to get some.

[VRam]

Did we ever say he was going to have an impact in the Tournament?

If you guys are relying on Sam this weekend, then you're in trouble. Your own Sam thread seems consistent with that view.

[EverydayinVA]

We're relying on him to play some good minutes this weekend. And I think Blaine would say the same. I think Sam gets more PT this weekend than you guys think, its tough playing 3 games in 3 days. I think that ODU's depth is going to be the biggest factor this weekend, and they will take advantage of that.

[Mr. Jablomi]

Ask Sean Brooks how he feels about Sam. Kid shut Brooks down, period.

[GS]

and who can't shut brooks down?

[Halftime Hero]

I'd like to respond but if any player in the conference can stop Sean Brooks its definitely Jai Lewis...

...then again, I don't think Jai has ever guarded Brooks w/o a man helping on the double...

[DUHANK]

and who can't shut brooks down?

it's funny you say after we sweep you

[DEdave]

Holding jerseys, flipping off fans, running his mouth to fans, crying to the refs after EVERY call and his general "put your head down and hope you don't draw the offensive" style of basketball... oh and he just LOOKS like an *sshole.

If those are the qualities for your feelings then the whole DAC Pack should qualify.

[ramathon74]

Since the season is over, I redid the computations for valuing 15 points per each statistical category in conference play (18 games) and came out with the following:

Loughton 81
Goldsberry 71
Nana 70
Stokes 69
Lewis 66
Hamm 66

George 65
Butler 55
Doles 53
Goss 53

Walker 49
Cofield 48
Crawford 40
Slats 40
Barbarosa 37


Rookie Aguido 32

[PrideSuperfan]

Stokes take POY from collegeinsider.com....1 down 1 to go in Richmond

[Sweet Baby G]

Collegeinsider.com names Stokes its player of the year and Brownell its coach of the year. Hmmmmm, isn't this the same rag-tag bunch that had Jeff Capel II still coaching at ODU earlier this season. Lot of credibility there.

[bigblue1975]

:lol:

[Sweet Baby G]

If this board hadn't been borne of GMU, I'd wonder what the hell Jai Lewis is doing on this player of the year poll. Who are you people trying to fool? There's a very, very real chance he doesn't make first team all-CAA.

[gmutom]

If this board hadn't been borne of GMU, I'd wonder what the hell Jai Lewis is doing on this player of the year poll. Who are you people trying to fool? There's a very, very real chance he doesn't make first team all-CAA.

Based on this post, you might want to change your screen name to Bitter Baby G. I realize you're upset that Loughton and Taylor were overlooked by collegeinsider.com (and maybe rightfully so), but don't take it out on Mason and Jai Lewis. Nobody likes a hater. :roll:

[Mr. Jablomi]

Tom, if no one loves a hater, there must be a ton of hated people on these boards.
EVERYONE hates on ODU. It's comical.

[xcoach]

I have to agree with sweet baby G, I and ALL the coaches in the CAA would definitely take Goldsberry - UNCW or Doles -VCU on their team before Lewis. Goldsberry and Doles are winners and Lewis is barely a survivor. Way too inconsistent!!!!! for first team. Goldsberry and Doles makes their team go! I think they are the two most underated players in the league.

[MetSox]

If there was an MVP as opposed to POY, I'd almost think it would have to go to Goldsberry. I cant imagine UNCW's offense without him. Bunch of stiffs running in circles never getting open. Now, that could partially be because he is shooting 56% lifetime against DU, which is only 12% better than JJ Redick is shooitng this year, but yea, take out the first teamers and all of these teams would survive I think. Especially Loughton and George.... They wouldnt be as good, but they would still be decent. Without John G, that UNCW team is back in the playin. Very underrated.

And yes, I hate him.

[gmutom]

Tom, if no one loves a hater, there must be a ton of hated people on these boards.
EVERYONE hates on ODU. It's comical.

I agree with you 100-percent, Jablomi. I think most of it is just people wanting to say "I told you so" to some of the outrageous predictions made by you and a few of your fellow fans.

I can't speak for everybody else, but even though I do give you and a few other outspoken Monarch fans grief from time to time, I will be your biggest fan should you represent the CAA in the postseason.

[xcoach]

I think it would be awesome to have Goldsberry playing for Drexel. Bruiser would love him! Plus he would average about 20 a game (since he would be playing at Drexel for half of his games - and he ALWAYS plays well at Drexel) Bruiser would make him an All-American because the boy plays some "D". I really think he will win the Defensive Player of the Year" No one else really stands out this year and he leads the steals category by a wide margin (7 or 8). I call him the "energizer bunny" he just keeps on going. I am like you, I can't stand him when he is playing vs Drexel.

[BaNgMyPrOgRaM]

I always liked Goldsberry. He was the heir apparent to Blizzard, and I dont see anyone else on that roster that would start on ODU. and xcoach, you are DEAD ON about what you said about Doles!


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Go RAMS! Beat ODU in the finals!!

[Budman]

I like Doles for first team over Goldsberry and Lewis . Lewis is living off what he did last year.

[Sweet Baby G]

That is harsh calling me a hater. Jai Lewis has not had a first-team year and isn't even the best player on his team this season. You can call that opinion, but in reality it's fact.

[Hofstra russ]

Stokes (POY) Loughton NANA George Doles Goss

[VCU4LIFE]

Wow, a bus full of Hofstra fans just joined the Zone. :shock:

[PrideSuperfan]

I guess so...i went away for 8 hours and now Stokes is in first...nice

[vicksen]

Stokes is by far the best player in CAA.

[vicksen]

Stokes is by far the best player in CAA.

[vicksen]

Stokes is by far the best player in CAA.

[vicksen]

Stokes is by far the best player in CAA.

[Sweet Baby G]

Vicksen,
Hit the button once, then move on.
Sheesh, rookies. :roll:
Just bustin' your chops. Get used to it. Everybody gets busted out here.
:wink:

[gmutom]

That is harsh calling me a hater. Jai Lewis has not had a first-team year and isn't even the best player on his team this season. You can call that opinion, but in reality it's fact.

No offense intended, G. But allow me to phrase my argument a little differently. Tell me that Jai isn't one of the top five most difficult players to cover one-on-one in the league. I know that it hypothetical, because he constantly sees zone defenses and double teams.

But I think it's indisputable that there is nobody in the CAA that can cover him by themself (no Jablomi, not even Loughton). Even Sean May from UNC couldn't contain him last year when Jai scored 18 points and had double-digit rebounds in Chapel Hill.

Skinn and Butler are having great years, but a lot of that is a direct result of Jai drawing so much attention (hence his stats being down a little this season). If Jai is double-teamed, it allows Skinn to penetrate more and it leaves Butler open for more uncontested shots. We are fortunate to have a three-headed monster, but Jai is player that makes it all possible.

[Sweet Baby G]

Jai looks to be 20 pounds heavier this season and has moments when he looks like Martin Lawrence in costume for Big Mama's House (but as we all know, there was a scene in that movie where Big Mama schooled everyone on the playground; how's that for putting a bow on an analogy!). Anyway, my piont is that he's had problems lugging that arse of his down the court. At the same time, that big ol' arse makes it hard for people to guard him. I'm waffling and trying to get to the point in a 'round about way, which is how you have to play with Jai on the floor. :wink:
Bottom line, he's not as good this year as he was last. He's not a top 5 guy. But, as another poster likes to say, this is just my opinion and I could be wrong. :lol:
Five CAA guys who are harder to guard than Jai:
Nana
Stokes
Hunter
George
Skinn
Why? Because they can all beat you on the dribble. Jai can't.

[MALMA]

GMUTOM here are 10 more players who i would rather go to Goldsberry, Loughton ,Gibson, Brooks, Doles, Goss, Agudio, Butler. All who belong to be all CAA over the Fat man Jai Lewis!!!!!!! I can't belive any one is talk about the 3rd best player at best on the number 6th seeded team in the CAA.

[gmutom]

GMUTOM here are 10 more players who i would rather go to Goldsberry, Loughton ,Gibson, Brooks, Doles, Goss, Agudio, Butler. All who belong to be all CAA over the Fat man Jai Lewis!!!!!!! I can't belive any one is talk about the 3rd best player at best on the number 6th seeded team in the CAA.

Dude, I'm all for listening to opposing views. In fact, Sweet Baby G actually points out some valid points in his arguments. But you are a complete moron and lose all credibility if you think Brooks is better than Lewis. What a joke! :roll:

[Sweet Baby G]

The only thing I can add at this point is, thank goodness that's Bart Simpson mooning us on your sig and not Jai! :lol:

[MALMA]

GMUTOM Saying Brooks is better than Lewis gives me more credibitity than saying Lewis is first team all CAA.

[MALMA]

GMUTOM in one of your post you say "the Hofstra centers are more athletic than Lewis" Gibson is the least athletic play in the CAA and if you did not know that you are the Moron.

[P8triotfan4life]

GMUTOM in one of your post you say "the Hofstra centers are more athletic than Lewis" Gibson is the least athletic play in the CAA and if you did not know that you are the Moron.

'Them fightin words. All I gotta say is that I got $500 on gmutom to smoke your buttox in a round of gold Malma :wink:

[EDP]

Lewis for first maybe last year not this year.Its a has to be a joke to even think that. :o :shock: :? :lol: :roll: :?: :!:

[ramathon74]

Five CAA guys who are harder to guard than Jai:
Nana
Stokes
Hunter
George
Skinn
Why? Because they can all beat you on the dribble. Jai can't.

Bet none of them could beat Lewis to a buffet table though! :lol:

[EverydayinVA]

Yeah, I think Godwin gave him all he could handle, but with him leaving the competition is lacking. I hear he does his best boxing out at the table.

[gman]

Brooks has playing hurt all year all year and is just as good as lewis.

[PrideSuperfan]

GMUTOM in one of your post you say "the Hofstra centers are more athletic than Lewis" Gibson is the least athletic play in the CAA and if you did not know that you are the Moron.

Yeah but Uter is one of the most athletic...Jai vs. Hofstra 3 points and 3 board in 22 points loss and still just 5 points, but got 13 board in the blowout Mason win over Hofstra...it's safe to say that Hofstra has shut him down at least offensively in both games...Mason scores 94, but Jai gets only 5? odd...this is a team that relies mostly on guard play than an inside presence so I don't understand why Jai couldn't at least score double digits

[gobo]

Brooks has playing hurt all year all year and is just as good as lewis.

Really? Not by the numbers.....Now, I'm not saying Jai is a 1st teamer (I dont reveal who I vote for..I feel it's a conflict of interest) but Brooks' numbers don't measure up to Jai's this year.

gobo

[Mr. Jablomi]

No way you can say Jai is a 1st teamer this year. I just don't see it.

[BaNgMyPrOgRaM]

..and if Heywood doesnt see it, then it cant be true!


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Go RAMS! Beat ODU in the finals!!

[bigblue1975]

It's over guys. Loughton is POY :lol:


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