OT-Mets the worst team money can buy

[stuball888]

Ouch its 2002 all over again! Rey Ordonez has more RBIs than Floyd, Piazza, and Vaughn combined!

[The Bottom Line]

i hate to agree with you, stu, but it looks that way. this team needs an overhaul from the top down. say goodbye to philips, the worst talent evaluator in the bigs. he goes after the names year after year, with no concept of age. it's no mystery why teams with lower payroll then them outperform them... younger, more talented, more hungry players... that's why the twins, angels and a's surface in the playoffs. but it's the quality of the youth that sets them apart.

i think their farm system is shot; i question the scouts and it seems they're sitting on their laurels about making it to the series THREE YEARS AGO... when is the nightmare going to end?

[sjc]

I AGREE THE METS ARE BAD THIS EARLY IN THE SEASON BUT BEING THE RANGER FAN I AM I WOULD SAY THEY ARE THE WORST TEAM MONEY CAN BUT!!

[du_dragons]

Oh, the Mets are killing me. Honestly, is Frank Cashen still alive, and if so, will he please get this numbnuts Phillips out of here?

[Mr. Jablomi]

What could be better? The mutts stink, the Braves stink, and the Phils are the class of the league. See what WISE spending can do for you?

[The Bottom Line]

give it up, blomi. it's early- the phils are supposed to be in it and the braves are supposed to look bad. talk to us in another two months when the braves hit their stride and the phils start to hear the boos at the vet when they start their collapse.

the mets will flounder again, and montreal will look good as always for a team with no payroll.

[Eric]

Philly has gotten it's fans conned into thinking they're a small market team. Philadelphia is the 4th largest city in America, and the biggest one with only one baseball team. The fact that they win so rarely is a testament to their managements incompetence.

[Mr. Jablomi]

Actually, Eric, as usual, you are 100% wrong. Philly fans have ripped the Phils for YEARS over their cheap ways. This was the first offseason in years where they made a splash, and spent wisely. They get Jim Thome, IN HIS PRIME. They get Kevin Millwood, IN HIS PRIME. They get David Bell, IN HIS PRIME. They don't bring in Mo Vaughn, Cliff Floyd, Jeremy Burnitz, all retreads.
As for the Phils swoon, apparently roughly 85% of the baseball staff at ESPN.com disagree that it's coming as that percentage (of about 30 guys) predicted the Phils to win the division. They will win the East, going away.
The Mutts? They will be where they belong, on bottom, looking up at Philly.

[The Bottom Line]

blowmi, if opinions won ballgames the redskins would've won the last four superbowls.

while thome is a quality catch, he's not in his "prime". it's the equivalent of the mets getting piazza when they did. the phils have a LLLLLOOOOONNNNNGGGGG way to go before you hail them as the next yankee front office.

keep talking smack; this is exactly what happens to fans of dickslap teams that have early success in the first few weeks of the season. you come back down to earth around mid-season and forget about the comments you make now.

i don't think you heard anyone here talking about the mets winning the division; your long-standing jealousy is evident in your remarks. compare yourselves to the braves or the yankees, and their respective enduring success, if you feel like talking smack. right now met fans know we're in for a rough ride. as a philly fan surely you must have been used to low expectations since the early days of michael jack schmidt.

[Ferro39]

It's barely 3 weeks into the season. There are still, what, a 150 games to be played? Give the Mets a chance. There's still a alot of baseball to be played. They have too good a team to play this poorly the rest of the way.

[Mr. Jablomi]

TBL, Thome is coming off a year in which he posted career highs in HRs, B.A., and RBI. I'll go out on a limb, and say he's in his prime. As for past success, who cares? Do the Braves get a 10 game headstart because they have won 10 straight division titles? No.

[Eric]

11 actually. :)

[Ferro39]

not only are they much improved, but the phils have a really good team. there's no avoiding that.

i don't think the playoffs are too much of a stretch, however, it'll be via the wild card route. they can use another starter and mesa is very hot and cold. i read somewhere that schilling might come back when his current contract runs out. he would certainly put them over the top.it pains me to say, but they do field a better team than the mets right now.

[The Bottom Line]

guys, guys, guys.... where in this thread do we say the mets are better than the phils? we're talking about the phils here.

i'm just saying that this guy shouldn't be making plans to spend october in the vet at this point in time. i just happen to feel that since we're a couple of weeks into the season, the phils shouldn't be sizing up world series rings... and their fans shouldn't be talking smack. whoda thunk that the angels would've won the series AT THIS POINT LAST YEAR?

anything can happen; a philly collapse, a met surge, an atlanta meltdown or an expo dream season. let the chips fall where they may; just please don't talk crap because you have thome on your field... he only happened to be the best player available in a weak free-agent winter, it's not like you landed ty cobb and joe dimaggio. win, then come back and talk smack.

[Ferro39]

amen!

keep the smack talking for september when the season has played out.

[Mr. Jablomi]

Who is better than the Phils in the East? The Braves? The Mutts? No freakin' way. Montreal has a nice, young team, but alot of holes.
The Phils EASILY have the best lineup in the league, and their starting five may be the best, as well. The Mutts big off season signing, Cliff Floyd? He would not START for the Phils. Not in LF (Burrel), not in RF (Abreu), and not at 1st (Thome). I'm just glad we got the RIGHT Braves pitcher in the offseason. Millwood was the best pitcher on their staff last year, and now, he's ours. Good luck w/ your collection of 40 year old has beens.
As for the Braves, they are banking on Paul Byrd. What else needs to be said?

[Ferro39]

their starting 5 may be the best in the nl east?

their staff is good, but not that good. millwood, padilla and wolf are solid 1-3, but who's to say myers is going to keep doing what he's doing? and roa is getting lit up like a christmas tree. it also doesn't bode well when ur ace pitcher hurts his groin in his second start. that can come back at any time

i'm also a kc fan, but i'm not ordering my world series tix just yet

[Mr. Jablomi]

Roa threw 5 scoreless last night, and will be moved to the bull pen this week, with the return of Brandon Duckworth. As for Myers, he is considered one of the best young pitchers in baseball. He was the minor league pitcher of the year last season. He's only 22, and the sky is the limit for that kid. As for Millwood, he had a little groin pull while pitching in 40 degree weather, and has since won has last two starts. Believe me, a Mutts fan should not be talking about health problems concerning the staff. You have a bunch of old men over there!! When the Phils got Millwood, I went to the Braves website, and read all the message boards about it. The fans were livid, saying they should have kept him, and dumped Maddux. They almost all felt he was their best pitcher last season, and clearly their best in the post season. Throw in Wolf and Padilla, two of the best young pitchers in the game, plus Myers and Duckworth, and their rotation is the best in the league. If you want, I'll dig up the stats for all of them from last season, to prove my point.

[The Bottom Line]

so you can dig up their stats from last season.... when they didn't make the POST-SEASON?

blowmi, reading your posts i'm starting to believe you are:

a) an idiot
b) an idiot who doesn't know reality from fantasy league
c) an idiot who doesn't know reality from fantasy league and is here to rile up fans that know you must play 162 games AND make the playoffs AND win the WS before one can talk smack.

go home, you arsewipe. again, you don't see met fans talking smack. we know there's changes that must be made. i still don't see you talking the yankees down like this... they'd rock your world in a heartbeat.

AND THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE!!!

[Ferro39]

you're missing what i'm saying. 1-3, the phils are real good. hell, millwood is a stud, and padilla is a monster.

myers is still is a big if though. as fast as success has come to him, he can also get slapped around just as quickly. he's a 22 yo without too much experience. which brings me to duckworth. i've been hearing good things about him, but what has he ever done? he had 5+ era last year.

i'm not saying they're bad, but their staff isn't the second coming of christ. be realistic. if you're just trying to stir the pot, that's cool. i'll let you burn off some steam

the phils have youth on the mets, but if i'm going into a 5 game playoff series this fall, i think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who wouldn't take leiter, glavine and trachsel over millwood, padilla and roa. you can whip out any stats you want, but they're not going to the ws this year with a crew of unproven 23 year old starting pitchers. like i said earlier, maybe next year or in '05.

[Mr. Jablomi]

You keep bringing up Roa, he's not a regular in the rotation!! He's a bull pen guy who's had a few starts, due to Duckworth being on the 15 day DL.
As for Trachsel, are you kidding? Glavine or Millwood? Millwood, by MILES. Shall I pull up their stats from LAST SEASON'S post season? Millwood was dominant, Glavine threw batting practice. Leiter is a nice, solid major league pitcher. EVERY SINGLE GM IN BASEBALL would take Padilla OR Wolf over Leiter.
Bottom Line, clearly, from every post you make, you prove that if there is a single idiot on these boards, it's you by light years over anyone else. As for not mentioning the Yankees, I believe if you check today's newspaper (or have someone read it to you), you will find that the Phillies are in the NATIONAL league east, while the Yankees are in the AMERICAN league east, so unless this changes mid season, I don't think the Yanks are a threat to beat the Phils for the division title. As for them kicking the Phils a$$es, they are not the team to beat in baseball, and the Phils lineup is as good as any in the game. Making the post season is key, once that happens, anything goes (see:Angels, Anaheim). Yeah, those Yanks sure showed the Angels,huh?

[The Bottom Line]

blowmi, i'll say it again: it's easy talking this way in april... come back to this board in september and we'll see where you and your stats are. until then, sit down and shut the f-up. you talk like these kids have produced when it matters- but in escence, the first 13 games of the year mean nothing. 162 games, tool. and last year the phils didn't do a damn thing- just like the mets.

[Ferro39]

again the communication process is broken down.
we're talking two different things. you're talking future and upside and i'm talking experience and this season's postseason. if i'm going for a world series this year, i'm taking glavine and leiter. if i'm looking to build a solid staff and shoot for a title in a couple of years, i'm taking your guys.

[Mr. Jablomi]

TBL, guys like you crack me up. I wonder how many of these terms you throw around when not behind a computer? Very few, I'm sure.
As for the here and now, Millwood was the Braves best pitcher last season, both regular and post season. Padilla was an All Star, and many felt Wolf had the better year. He won 12 of his final 14 starts, with an ERA of 2.04. I would take these guys, right now, over the Mutts top three, in a heartbeat.

[The Bottom Line]

blowmi, it's you who cracks me up. you tout all this excellence. it would be like a royal fan doing the same thing.

very few times? don't think so. though if you're from philly it wouldn't surprise me. i haven't met too many native philly fans who don't act like jackasses when it comes to their teams.

let me guess- back when they made the series, you thought mitch williams was the greatest closer on earth?

[stuball888]

Gee look what I started. I only stated that the Mets were the worst team money could by and it turned into a Philly thread. Lets keep to the subject because all this talk of Philly is making me hungry for a cheesesteak sandwich! 8)

[Eric]

A cheesesteak sandwich on the first night of Passover? I think you'd spontaneously combust!

[JoeyBagODonuts]

That's what I had for dinner last night.
(then again, I'm IN Philadelphia, so it's kind of like a law)

[JoeyBagODonuts]

That's what I had for dinner last night.
(then again, I'm IN Philadelphia, so it's kind of like a law)

[Eric]

A dinner so nice,
you told us twice? :)

[JoeyBagODonuts]

I think that if you hit the [Back] button, and land on your post again, it reposts it. This is the 2nd time it has happened to me.

Also interesting to note that I don't think you get a 'Delete' option once a message has been replied to.

[HenGrad97and01]

What could be better? The mutts stink, the Braves stink, and the Phils are the class of the league. See what WISE spending can do for you?


does heywood still believe this? :)

[AbsolutBlueHen]

Who is better than the Phils in the East? The Braves? The Mutts? No freakin' way. Montreal has a nice, young team, but alot of holes.
The Phils EASILY have the best lineup in the league, and their starting five may be the best, as well. The Mutts big off season signing, Cliff Floyd? He would not START for the Phils. Not in LF (Burrel), not in RF (Abreu), and not at 1st (Thome). I'm just glad we got the RIGHT Braves pitcher in the offseason. Millwood was the best pitcher on their staff last year, and now, he's ours. Good luck w/ your collection of 40 year old has beens.
As for the Braves, they are banking on Paul Byrd. What else needs to be said?

How right you were...how right you were.

[118cc5]

What have the Phils won lately? Nothing . Nada. Since the strike of '94 0 World Series Championships, 0 NL Pennants, 0 Division Titles, 0 Wild Card berths. Last time I checked, they were mired in a 7 game losing streak.